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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 19:23:58 GMT
I do suspect the Chinese Flu has something to do with the interruption in shipping services. The US Post Office is just as bad or worse. That's funny. The Chinese flu 😄 My cousin and her whole family caught it. Healed in two days. Tons of vitamins and antibiotics and so on. Still, very healable. Better than shutting down the world. |
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Post by benziger on May 25, 2021 21:05:02 GMT
I do suspect the Chinese Flu has something to do with the interruption in shipping services. The US Post Office is just as bad or worse. I suspect, however, that the US Postal Service is much cheaper than the courier company. If someone pays four or five times as much for a better service, it should be provided. I once experienced that the postal clerk at the counter (when collecting the mail) refunded the postage without being asked because the letter was on its way for five days instead of one or max. two.
The poor flu, the things it has to be used for. Last spring, due to increased hygiene measures, our post was guaranteed to arrive by 5 pm instead of 1 pm. But it came every day. Six times a week, initially without a mask. And at the end of the year, the postmen got a bonus of 500 for disinfecting their hands a hundred thousand times per day, ringing the doorbell with two metres distance and then signing for the customers... In this country, that's called Service Public (public service - with French pronunciation, even in the non French speaking parts).
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Post by benziger on May 25, 2021 21:24:36 GMT
My cousin and her whole family caught it. Healed in two days. Tons of vitamins and antibiotics and so on. Still, very healable. Depending on age, state of health, amount of virus and variant of the virus, very different courses of the disease are possible. I know people who felt they had a slight cold for two or three days and only a test showed what it was, while others spent weeks in intensive care. This is where the vaccination comes in: If, for example, it promises 90% protection, that means that in 90% of all cases you will have a mild course of infection. That is why certain new habits such as thoroughly soaping our hands, keeping our distance, wearing a mask will probably accompany us for a little longer - at least in certain places. Better than shutting down the world. Shutting down the world was certainly an exaggeration. You can see this in two neighbouring countries with similar infection rates: Germany at a standstill and Switzerland with compulsory home offices "where possible" and closed restaurants, cinemas and so on in winter. Schools have been open again since May 2020, except for quarantines. But I don't want to praise the Swiss government. They groped helplessly in the dark and even forgot that they had a pandemic plan in the drawer. Thanks to federalism, their decisions of Wednesday will go to the 26 provinces, the >3000 municipalities and the most important associations (economy, trade unions, political parties) for consultation on Monday (usually, that takes weeks, but Covid accelerated things even in very slow Swiss politics). This prevents the worst excesses.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 25, 2021 21:42:39 GMT
Shutting down the world? If you look at how infectious diseases can propagate and spread it is reasonable to be cautious.
My oldest brother was an epidemiologist before he retired early. When we discussed COVID a year ago he wasn't worried due to the data China released. I was worried because of the data China released [because I have a different perspective]. At nearly 600,000 deaths [officially though likely more] ion the US the disease isn't a joke.
It's never wise to downplay what a new emerging disease can do because nature doesn't play. Look at the historical effects of smallpox, polio, and other diseases [like the Spanish / Swine Flu of 1918 to 1920], contagious disease isn't a laughing matter any more than downplaying the deaths is wise thing to do.
The Black Death killed roughly 25,000,000 people and it's still around.
My apologies if I've caused any offense. Been a long day.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 5:07:51 GMT
Shutting down the world? If you look at how infectious diseases can propagate and spread it is reasonable to be cautious. My oldest brother was an epidemiologist before he retired early. When we discussed COVID a year ago he wasn't worried due to the data China released. I was worried because of the data China released [because I have a different perspective]. At nearly 600,000 deaths [officially though likely more] ion the US the disease isn't a joke. It's never wise to downplay what a new emerging disease can do because nature doesn't play. Look at the historical effects of smallpox, polio, and other diseases [like the Spanish / Swine Flu of 1918 to 1920], contagious disease isn't a laughing matter any more than downplaying the deaths is wise thing to do. The Black Death killed roughly 25,000,000 people and it's still around. My apologies if I've caused any offense. Been a long day. I expected I would ruffle some feathers and went ahead with it anyway. I think you always have to find the root of the problem: lack of health to start with. Unhealthy food with preservatives, not enough sun, not enough exercise. Healthy people don't die of a flu. Change the thinking, change the lifestyle. Because there will be other Flus and other illnesses. You can't make people wear masks and close down shops forever. That's a sick way for children to grow up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 5:09:19 GMT
My cousin and her whole family caught it. Healed in two days. Tons of vitamins and antibiotics and so on. Still, very healable. Depending on age, state of health, amount of virus and variant of the virus, very different courses of the disease are possible. I know people who felt they had a slight cold for two or three days and only a test showed what it was, while others spent weeks in intensive care. This is where the vaccination comes in: If, for example, it promises 90% protection, that means that in 90% of all cases you will have a mild course of infection. That is why certain new habits such as thoroughly soaping our hands, keeping our distance, wearing a mask will probably accompany us for a little longer - at least in certain places. Better than shutting down the world. Shutting down the world was certainly an exaggeration. You can see this in two neighbouring countries with similar infection rates: Germany at a standstill and Switzerland with compulsory home offices "where possible" and closed restaurants, cinemas and so on in winter. Schools have been open again since May 2020, except for quarantines. But I don't want to praise the Swiss government. They groped helplessly in the dark and even forgot that they had a pandemic plan in the drawer. Thanks to federalism, their decisions of Wednesday will go to the 26 provinces, the >3000 municipalities and the most important associations (economy, trade unions, political parties) for consultation on Monday (usually, that takes weeks, but Covid accelerated things even in very slow Swiss politics). This prevents the worst excesses.
Protection? When I see the longterm effects I'll believe it's protection. Until then I do not know. |
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Post by benziger on May 26, 2021 10:46:50 GMT
I think you always have to find the root of the problem: lack of health to start with. Unhealthy food with preservatives, not enough sun, not enough exercise. Healthy people don't die of a flu. Change the thinking, change the lifestyle. Because there will be other Flus and other illnesses. You can't make people wear masks and close down shops forever. That's a sick way for children to grow up. You are right about that. But even if we all eat healthy and live in harmony with nature, there will be epidemics. As a first step, I think it's not wrong to stop and take stock. Also, some people don't believe certain things until they have experienced them themselves. But I have hope that "normal life" will now gradually return, perhaps with steps backwards in between. If we are smart, the new normal is not identical to the old normal. Then we would be better off in the next pandemic. But (for Europe) 1918 is really too long ago for many people to still have vivid memories. Asia had an advantage (and it could have been the Congo). |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 26, 2021 11:45:25 GMT
The Flu Epidemic of 1918 to 1920 actually targeted more healthy people in their prime working years rather than young children and the elderly. My paternal grandfather helped tend the fields of neighbors who got sick while my grandmother helped take care of the sick and their kids. My grandfather also helped bury the dead.
In terms of society, nutrition, and medical science [and many other categories] the world of 1918 was a different place and many people take the advances for granted until they can't access them.
As an example when we do a family hike it's at a state park with trails, which used to be a working ranch. Cell signal is erratic at best, the terrain ranges from easy to rough, and there is plenty of wildlife including mountain lion, coyote, and wild hogs. On those hikes we take invariably water as well as an IFAK [Individual First Aid Kit] capable of handling combat trauma until the injured can reach medical care. The reason for a heavy duty combat-type medical kit is because injuries sustained on rough trails can be just as severe as those dealt out when in service. When it comes to possible emergencies it's better to have the supplies and not need them than need them and not have them.
When it comes to children growing up [and we have three doing so], they need to know how to adapt to change because change is a constant. Rejecting what is reality simply because they don't like it, no thank you.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 12:20:54 GMT
The Flu Epidemic of 1918 to 1920 actually targeted more healthy people in their prime working years rather than young children and the elderly. My paternal grandfather helped tend the fields of neighbors who got sick while my grandmother helped take care of the sick and their kids. My grandfather also helped bury the dead. In terms of society, nutrition, and medical science [and many other categories] the world of 1918 was a different place and many people take the advances for granted until they can't access them. As an example when we do a family hike it's at a state park with trails, which used to be a working ranch. Cell signal is erratic at best, the terrain ranges from easy to rough, and there is plenty of wildlife including mountain lion, coyote, and wild hogs. On those hikes we take invariably water as well as an IFAK [Individual First Aid Kit] capable of handling combat trauma until the injured can reach medical care. The reason for a heavy duty combat-type medical kit is because injuries sustained on rough trails can be just as severe as those dealt out when in service. When it comes to possible emergencies it's better to have the supplies and not need them than need them and not have them. When it comes to children growing up [and we have three doing so], they need to know how to adapt to change because change is a constant. Rejecting what is reality simply because they don't like it, no thank you. I see your point. The key word for me is "forever." I don't want kids to live with fear forever. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 12:24:07 GMT
I think you always have to find the root of the problem: lack of health to start with. Unhealthy food with preservatives, not enough sun, not enough exercise. Healthy people don't die of a flu. Change the thinking, change the lifestyle. Because there will be other Flus and other illnesses. You can't make people wear masks and close down shops forever. That's a sick way for children to grow up. You are right about that. But even if we all eat healthy and live in harmony with nature, there will be epidemics. As a first step, I think it's not wrong to stop and take stock. Also, some people don't believe certain things until they have experienced them themselves. But I have hope that "normal life" will now gradually return, perhaps with steps backwards in between. If we are smart, the new normal is not identical to the old normal. Then we would be better off in the next pandemic. But (for Europe) 1918 is really too long ago for many people to still have vivid memories. Asia had an advantage (and it could have been the Congo). I am naturally cautious. And I like to question things I am told. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 26, 2021 14:30:27 GMT
The Flu Epidemic of 1918 to 1920 actually targeted more healthy people in their prime working years rather than young children and the elderly. My paternal grandfather helped tend the fields of neighbors who got sick while my grandmother helped take care of the sick and their kids. My grandfather also helped bury the dead. In terms of society, nutrition, and medical science [and many other categories] the world of 1918 was a different place and many people take the advances for granted until they can't access them. As an example when we do a family hike it's at a state park with trails, which used to be a working ranch. Cell signal is erratic at best, the terrain ranges from easy to rough, and there is plenty of wildlife including mountain lion, coyote, and wild hogs. On those hikes we take invariably water as well as an IFAK [Individual First Aid Kit] capable of handling combat trauma until the injured can reach medical care. The reason for a heavy duty combat-type medical kit is because injuries sustained on rough trails can be just as severe as those dealt out when in service. When it comes to possible emergencies it's better to have the supplies and not need them than need them and not have them. When it comes to children growing up [and we have three doing so], they need to know how to adapt to change because change is a constant. Rejecting what is reality simply because they don't like it, no thank you. I see your point. The key word for me is "forever." I don't want kids to live with fear forever. Last month my kids were angry with me because they considered me AWOL due to my having an Unauthorized Medical Event. Per them I am not allowed to get sick much less eventually die because I'm supposed to last as long as they need me and want me around. They have since accepted what the spouse and I have previously mentioned: "None of us physically live forever, so it's better to make the most of the time we have than ignore reality until we have to cry over it."
Another lesson we're teaching them. There is no point living in fear. You can choose to accept reality, make the best of bad situations until matters change, then get ready for whatever happens next, or throw a hissy fit. Since throwing a fit doesn't fix anything they're learning to find a constructive way to deal with issues. [Our younger daughter fired both the spouse and I on the hike yesterday, and when we got back to the car she thought it was the best hike ever. With all of her complaints until the halfway mark that was a long 1.51 miles.]
Time for me to do some laundry, as clean clothes don't stay clean forever. Call it job security.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 16:34:02 GMT
I see your point. The key word for me is "forever." I don't want kids to live with fear forever. Last month my kids were angry with me because they considered me AWOL due to my having an Unauthorized Medical Event. Per them I am not allowed to get sick much less eventually die because I'm supposed to last as long as they need me and want me around. They have since accepted what the spouse and I have previously mentioned: "None of us physically live forever, so it's better to make the most of the time we have than ignore reality until we have to cry over it."
Another lesson we're teaching them. There is no point living in fear. You can choose to accept reality, make the best of bad situations until matters change, then get ready for whatever happens next, or throw a hissy fit. Since throwing a fit doesn't fix anything they're learning to find a constructive way to deal with issues. [Our younger daughter fired both the spouse and I on the hike yesterday, and when we got back to the car she thought it was the best hike ever. With all of her complaints until the halfway mark that was a long 1.51 miles.]
Time for me to do some laundry, as clean clothes don't stay clean forever. Call it job security.
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Post by potet on May 27, 2021 9:39:39 GMT
Eventually the parcel is now delivered.  |
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