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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 7:05:25 GMT
I just read that Montreal is requiring passports for people to be able to eat out. Pretty soon they're going to declare Martial Law and start walking into people's homes, hunting down those who haven't conformed. Perhaps they're hiding under the bed?
Seriously 1984.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 7:07:05 GMT
I just read that Montreal is requiring passports for people to be able to eat out. Pretty soon they're going to declare Martial Law and start walking into people's homes, hunting down those who haven't conformed. Perhaps they're hiding under the bed? Seriously 1984. Hmm... my next two tattoos : Live free or die, and, the last verse of Psalm 23.
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Post by benziger on Sept 7, 2021 13:22:21 GMT
Does this have anything to do with the pandemic: Only enter the restaurant with a Covid vaccination certificate and with your passport you prove that you are the person for whom the certificate was issued? At least here in Central Europe this is the case - depending on the country, not at the same places (concert, restaurant, football match, etc).
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Post by Ken on Sept 7, 2021 13:39:05 GMT
Covid Passports.
The new norm.
Perhaps not in Crete.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 7, 2021 15:18:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 16:35:02 GMT
Does this have anything to do with the pandemic: Only enter the restaurant with a Covid vaccination certificate and with your passport you prove that you are the person for whom the certificate was issued? At least here in Central Europe this is the case - depending on the country, not at the same places (concert, restaurant, football match, etc). I deliberately did not use that word because, today, any counter-narrative is not allowed. That in itself is creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 16:35:45 GMT
Covid Passports. The new norm. Perhaps not in Crete. Not in Crete. I hope there's a revolution if it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 16:43:54 GMT
Martial Law is not new either, neither is fear of government retribution if you do not do as they say. Next we'll need a stamp, or a barcode tattoo, and after that a chip. Why waste ink and time. Free will, privacy, love of your fellow man instead of fear, gone. And I have not used that forbidden word once for fear I will be reprimanded, silenced, maybe threatened. PS. I also just found out the nurses who were heroes last year, and worked around the clock, are being fired. Actually it's already been done. No severence, nothing.
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Post by potet on Sept 7, 2021 18:55:10 GMT
We don't need to carry a passport in France to prove our identity because each of us has a _carte d'identité_ (I.D.).
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Post by Ken on Sept 8, 2021 6:30:45 GMT
Covid passport not National.
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Post by potet on Sept 8, 2021 10:51:52 GMT
Covid passport not National. Oh, she meant what we call _un passe sanitaire_ not _un passeport_. Sorry, pardon my French , English can be so vague at times. Yes, there are protests everywhere by cheaters who don't want to get vaccinated, and do not care whether they might catch the disease or contaminate others. Shame on them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 12:19:13 GMT
Covid passport not National. Oh, she meant what we call _un passe sanitaire_ not _un passeport_. Sorry, pardon my French , English can be so vague at times. Yes, there are protests everywhere by cheaters who don't want to get vaccinated, and do not care whether they might catch the disease or contaminate others. Shame on them. Yes, shame on them. My cousins, my friends, my neighbors. Who I used to love before they decided to exercise their free will.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 8, 2021 12:55:01 GMT
There are a fair number of drivers in this area who have a rather quaint shared attitude: 'Guess when I drive into town today maybe I should exercise my free will by ignoring all the stop signs and traffic lights; my right to do what I want when I want override everyone else's right to live after all.'
I've had too many instances of almost winding up in hospital due to people exercising their free will when driving and ignoring basic safety rules like stopping at stop signs. Glad I still have quick enough reflexes.
Free will exercised without some basic self-control often lends itself to many societal ills.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 19:10:07 GMT
There are a fair number of drivers in this area who have a rather quaint shared attitude: 'Guess when I drive into town today maybe I should exercise my free will by ignoring all the stop signs and traffic lights; my right to do what I want when I want override everyone else's right to live after all.' I've had too many instances of almost winding up in hospital due to people exercising their free will when driving and ignoring basic safety rules like stopping at stop signs. Glad I still have quick enough reflexes. Free will exercised without some basic self-control often lends itself to many societal ills. When someone wants to put something, anything, in your body, without longterm testing, and when you see hundreds of doctors and scientists decide not to allow anyone to put something in their bodies, then you are permitted to decline. Or, you should be. Unless your body belongs to the state. It's the only thing that's truly ours. Different from traffic lights.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 8, 2021 19:55:59 GMT
There are a fair number of drivers in this area who have a rather quaint shared attitude: 'Guess when I drive into town today maybe I should exercise my free will by ignoring all the stop signs and traffic lights; my right to do what I want when I want override everyone else's right to live after all.' I've had too many instances of almost winding up in hospital due to people exercising their free will when driving and ignoring basic safety rules like stopping at stop signs. Glad I still have quick enough reflexes. Free will exercised without some basic self-control often lends itself to many societal ills. When someone wants to put something, anything, in your body, without longterm testing, and when you see hundreds of doctors and scientists decide not to allow anyone to put something in their bodies, then you are permitted to decline. Or, you should be. Unless your body belongs to the state. It's the only thing that's truly ours. Different from traffic lights. There really isn't that much difference.
True, you can decline to get vaccinated as long as there isn't a law requiring you to get a vaccine due to public risk. By the same token, you have to accept restrictions which may be imposed upon you for declining to get vaccinated.
Had I been impatient two weeks ago a dufus hauling roughly 5,200 lbs [~2,358 kg] of round hay bales would have demolished my vehicle and likely killed me because he was in a hurry and declined to stop at the sign.
Regardless, in either scenario someone declines doing something for whatever reason and if the person in question is lucky, there's no bad outcome.
Think of it as a form of risk management. The spouse and I are vaccinated, because despite any minimal risk to us our children don't have the option to be vaccinated against COVID-19 yet. As such since they have no choice we are willing to minimize the risk to them and as a result everyone else we encounter.
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