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Post by Mag2024 on Nov 8, 2022 23:09:59 GMT
How needed or potentially necessary the items Musk promotes are or will be is debatable.
Hardly debatable, a fact. Electric cars for example. He has the biggest factory in the world that produces them, and his are getting cheaper every year. At least in Europe the production of carbon fuelled ones will be banned in a few years. Large li-ion batteries for the storage of solar and wind generated electricity. Again, the biggest factory in the world to create them, and they are the most efficient ones so far. Much cheaper and reusable space vehicles, the multi-million $ boosters actually land instead of burning up. No longer the need to pay the Russians! And one day a colony on Mars, within a few years in fact, as a sort of safeguard against human extinction.
If you take a copy of the DSM 5 and observe anyone long enough you'll find some mental quirk or trait which appears to fits a diagnosis -- it isn't necessarily a mark of mental illness but more a sign each of us [myself included] can potentially be seen as a bit strange by others.
Well, he is observed a lot, and I did not suggest that he's 'mental'. He seems 'driven', at the expense of everything else. Is that a mental aberration?
At any rate being strange in and of itself doesn't make anyone unlikable, it's based on how he, she, or ze acts.
Strange as in potentially not likeable then.
I was getting ready to disagree with you... but then I read your post. I like what you wrote and I agree with you. |
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Post by Mag2024 on Nov 8, 2022 23:12:36 GMT
I am aware Musk has stated he's on the Autism Spectrum. I am also aware Musk grew up in an affluent enough family. Social status at birth is either a great help or great hindrance to later achievement.
It's a safe bet had he been born into a dirt-poor family in Appalachia he wouldn't be where he is today, more likely he'd be in a trailer park or a state prison [which unfortunately often doubles as a place to park the mentally ill or disabled in the US].
What should be remembered is being good at one, two, or even a few things doesn't make someone infallible or great at doing everything -- this is true even of people who are considered to show great genius.
The context of someone's life affects the outcome as much as the person's behavior.
The most messed up do-nothing, accomplish-nothing people come from affluent families. And they are the ones, in my opinion, who are weak, without survival skills. Elon Musk is not weak, he is not dumb, he is not lazy. He's ambitious, and honest to a fault. He's daring, funny and I am rooting for him to succeed. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 8, 2022 23:15:34 GMT
He has little problem communicating with people, but he does seem a tad shy. Some say he craves attention, but the media keep a close eye on him.
I am aware Musk has stated he's on the Autism Spectrum.
Yes, that's more than possible. It's not unusual amongst very intelligent people.
I am also aware Musk grew up in an affluent enough family.
Apparently, he did not get on at all well with his father, beat him it's claimed, so moved to the USA to be away from the family. So really he did not grow up in an affluent family.
Social status at birth is either a great help or great hindrance to later achievement.
It's said that all he got from his dad was £27,000 to start a business. Better than nowt of course, but not exactly spending the family's wealth. The business he helped create, his 7th share of it netted him $22 mill, which he more or less totally spent on another venture. Everything he makes he seems to use to start something else. he does not even own a house, but I am sure he does not live in a tent.
It's a safe bet had he been born into a dirt-poor family in Appalachia he wouldn't be where he is today, more likely he'd be in a trailer park or a state prison [which unfortunately often doubles as a place to park the mentally ill or disabled in the US].
You really do not know that. The software business can be rags to riches. It can cost feck all but time to write and could end up very sort after. Two examples. During the 'Internet Bubble' two young lads wrote some software in their bedroom. Someone bought it for $50,000,000 or something before it was even used! Nothing came of it, hence one example of the 'bubble' bursting. But another - IMBD. Written in the originator's spare time, and started as his own private database, and the rest is history. He was raised not far from where I live, in fact. Need I mention what became Facebook?
What should be remembered is being good at one, two, or even a few things doesn't make someone infallible or great at doing everything -- this is true even of people who are considered to show great genius.
Richard Branson (Virgin) claims all he is good at is employing clever people, and being a bit shrewd, and a tad dishonest as a student.
The context of someone's life affects the outcome as much as the person's behavior. And it helps if you are a genius.  Musk's IQ is 155. But Einstein used to say a genius is just a clever person who works very hard. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Nov 9, 2022 15:08:21 GMT
He has little problem communicating with people, but he does seem a tad shy. Some say he craves attention, but the media keep a close eye on him.
I am aware Musk has stated he's on the Autism Spectrum.
Yes, that's more than possible. It's not unusual amongst very intelligent people.
I am also aware Musk grew up in an affluent enough family.
Apparently, he did not get on at all well with his father, beat him it's claimed, so moved to the USA to be away from the family. So really he did not grow up in an affluent family.
Social status at birth is either a great help or great hindrance to later achievement.
It's said that all he got from his dad was £27,000 to start a business. Better than nowt of course, but not exactly spending the family's wealth. The business he helped create, his 7th share of it netted him $22 mill, which he more or less totally spent on another venture. Everything he makes he seems to use to start something else. he does not even own a house, but I am sure he does not live in a tent.
It's a safe bet had he been born into a dirt-poor family in Appalachia he wouldn't be where he is today, more likely he'd be in a trailer park or a state prison [which unfortunately often doubles as a place to park the mentally ill or disabled in the US].
You really do not know that. The software business can be rags to riches. It can cost feck all but time to write and could end up very sort after. Two examples. During the 'Internet Bubble' two young lads wrote some software in their bedroom. Someone bought it for $50,000,000 or something before it was even used! Nothing came of it, hence one example of the 'bubble' bursting. But another - IMBD. Written in the originator's spare time, and started as his own private database, and the rest is history. He was raised not far from where I live, in fact. Need I mention what became Facebook?
What should be remembered is being good at one, two, or even a few things doesn't make someone infallible or great at doing everything -- this is true even of people who are considered to show great genius.
Richard Branson (Virgin) claims all he is good at is employing clever people, and being a bit shrewd, and a tad dishonest as a student.
The context of someone's life affects the outcome as much as the person's behavior. And it helps if you are a genius. Musk's IQ is 155. But Einstein used to say a genius is just a clever person who works very hard.
A certain mark of indescribable genius is urinating on state and federal regulations when it comes to layoffs because you're a genius and the boss, to the tune of $500 per person per day for 3700 people. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 9, 2022 23:08:12 GMT
A certain mark of indescribable genius is urinating on state and federal regulations when it comes to layoffs because you're a genius and the boss, to the tune of $500 per person per day for 3700 people.
I assume you mean Twitter? He paid them $500 a day? Is that what you mean? How many days at $1,850,000 per day then? But such actions are an unfortunate side of business, and happen a lot. As I say, the media watches and reports on everything Musk does while ignoring many similar things. An example from last year > CEO of a major shipping line sacked all the staff by text. Oh, and layoff means it's temporary, whereas sacking is not. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Nov 10, 2022 21:10:41 GMT
A certain mark of indescribable genius is urinating on state and federal regulations when it comes to layoffs because you're a genius and the boss, to the tune of $500 per person per day for 3700 people.
I assume you mean Twitter? He paid them $500 a day? Is that what you mean? How many days at $1,850,000 per day then? But such actions are an unfortunate side of business, and happen a lot. As I say, the media watches and reports on everything Musk does while ignoring many similar things. An example from last year > CEO of a major shipping line sacked all the staff by text. Oh, and layoff means it's temporary, whereas sacking is not.Suppose I were a genius worth many billions, I overpaid for a company, and being infallible because of being a genius I then violated state and federal labor laws due [in my opinion] to me being able to ignore laws and regulations because the company was losing $4,000,000 daily with my actions adding an extra $1,850,000 loss daily, I suspect you'd think I was an idiot.
If my net worth were to also drop by $92,000,000,000 within days because my worth was tied to stock in another company I was in charge of and investors were concerned about my recent purchase and my actions there, you'd likely be muttering about what a moron I was.
Whether being average, gifted and talented, genius, or super genius, it pays to listen to those who work in a field [like labor law] because they tend to know minutiae and details you don't. Having a high IQ doesn't mean someone can't make mistakes, it does tend to make those mistakes a bit more glaring because one would think a genius would be smart enough to know better.
As for layoffs versus being fired, some layoffs are quite as permanent as being fired.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 11, 2022 0:21:40 GMT
Not > "Genius is a characteristic of original and exceptional insight in the performance of some art or endeavour that surpasses expectations, sets new standards for future works, establishes better methods of operation, or remains outside the capabilities of competitors. Genius is associated with intellectual ability and creative productivity, and may refer to a polymath who excels across diverse subjects" > then? So what does what you say have to do with that?
I assume you mean Twitter? He paid them $500 a day? Is that what you mean? How many days at $1,850,000 per day then? But such actions are an unfortunate side of business, and happen a lot. As I say, the media watches and reports on everything Musk does while ignoring many similar things. An example from last year > CEO of a major shipping line sacked all the staff by text. Oh, and layoff means it's temporary, whereas sacking is not. Suppose I were a genius worth many billions, I overpaid for a company, and being infallible because of being a genius I then violated state and federal labor laws due [in my opinion] to me being able to ignore laws and regulations because the company was losing $4,000,000 daily with my actions adding an extra $1,850,000 loss daily, I suspect you'd think I was an idiot.
I would wonder what he knows that we don't.
If my net worth were to also drop by $92,000,000,000 within days because my worth was tied to stock in another company I was in charge of and investors were concerned about my recent purchase and my actions there, you'd likely be muttering about what a moron I was.
What a time to buy the shares then. It's almost as if it was engineered to lower the value ... But he's never been interested in making money, just having it to finance projects.
He was called a moron when he started to make cars, never-mind rare at the time electric ones. "What does he know about making cars?!" For the same reason he was called an idiot when he floated Tesla on the shares market. Raised billions, bought a massive factory. Now accounts for 21% of the world's electric and hybrid car market. Was laughed at in regard to making cheaper and better rockets, now NASA pay him. He's made millions, spent all of it on projects that make more millions. Spent all of that on other projects, which make billions. A moron?
Whether being average, gifted and talented, genius, or super genius, it pays to listen to those who work in a field [like labor law] because they tend to know minutiae and details you don't. Having a high IQ doesn't mean someone can't make mistakes, it does tend to make those mistakes a bit more glaring because one would think a genius would be smart enough to know better.
As I say, he's often been accused of being incompetent and getting into industries he knows nothing about, and coming up smelling of roses. There's more to economics than you assume, not everything is so clear cut, and I am sure he can also employ the best experts in their fields, including lawyers.
As for layoffs versus being fired, some layoffs are quite as permanent as being fired.
However, when laid off, one normally gets paid. At least in the UK.
BTW. Having a genius level IQ does not guarantee a practical and logical mind, often the opposite. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 11, 2022 0:23:56 GMT
Do you think he can get free use of Ingrams?
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Post by BlueAndGold on Nov 11, 2022 2:44:04 GMT
In the US, being laid off is exactly the same as being fired (you DON'T get paid), but with the understanding that at some point in the future you might get called back and offered your old job again. Usually not.
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Post by Mag2024 on Nov 11, 2022 18:19:05 GMT
In the US, being laid off is exactly the same as being fired (you DON'T get paid), but with the understanding that at some point in the future you might get called back and offered your old job again. Usually not. In Musk's case, he gave them three months severance. In Canada, if you're laid off you get 70, I think it is, percent of your salary for 9-12 months. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Nov 11, 2022 23:33:00 GMT
In the US, being laid off is exactly the same as being fired (you DON'T get paid), but with the understanding that at some point in the future you might get called back and offered your old job again. Usually not. In Musk's case, he gave them three months severance. In Canada, if you're laid off you get 70, I think it is, percent of your salary for 9-12 months. In the US what you get from being laid off really depends upon the state you live in. In some states you'll get nothing and in others you'll get one month or slightly more severance pay, then typically the ability to draw unemployment which usually isn't that much and usually for at most 26 weeks [60% of the base weekly wage in Texas up to $534 (in New York State $504) while in Mississippi the max you'd collect would be $235 per week, for 26 weeks], the privilege to overpay for your former employer's health insurance, and so on.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 12, 2022 13:53:05 GMT
Perhaps the terminology also changes around the world? In the UK we have 'Sacked', which speaks for itself. Then Laid off, which normally means you are still employed, but there's no work. Normally you still get paid by the employer, but not always. Depends on the contract. Redundant means the place you worked for has shut down. Payment from them is often a week's pay for every year served, but the government will contribute to that if the ex-employer has no money.
But there's also the recent misuse of the Zero Hours Contract. Much frowned upon. It means the employer does not guarantee the number of hours they will give you. This also means usual employment laws do not cover you. But it's being used with people who are actually working at least 35 hours every week. It's basically a scam, but very common.
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Post by Mag2024 on Nov 12, 2022 19:56:02 GMT
In Musk's case, he gave them three months severance. In Canada, if you're laid off you get 70, I think it is, percent of your salary for 9-12 months. In the US what you get from being laid off really depends upon the state you live in. In some states you'll get nothing and in others you'll get one month or slightly more severance pay, then typically the ability to draw unemployment which usually isn't that much and usually for at most 26 weeks [60% of the base weekly wage in Texas up to $534 (in New York State $504) while in Mississippi the max you'd collect would be $235 per week, for 26 weeks], the privilege to overpay for your former employer's health insurance, and so on.
Interesting. Location, indeed. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Nov 12, 2022 22:16:43 GMT
In the US what you get from being laid off really depends upon the state you live in. In some states you'll get nothing and in others you'll get one month or slightly more severance pay, then typically the ability to draw unemployment which usually isn't that much and usually for at most 26 weeks [60% of the base weekly wage in Texas up to $534 (in New York State $504) while in Mississippi the max you'd collect would be $235 per week, for 26 weeks], the privilege to overpay for your former employer's health insurance, and so on.
Interesting. Location, indeed. Unemployment payments in the different US states is about getting people to find another job, any job, as quickly as possible. The social safety net [or lack thereof] also varies in the different US states.
Someone in Texas who had a base wage of $1,500 a week will only get $534 a week for 26 weeks or until they start a new job, whichever happens first, if they qualify for unemployment in the first place. Some employers will go through extreme contortions in their attempts to prevent former employees getting anything. |
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Post by Mag2024 on Nov 13, 2022 3:52:56 GMT
Interesting. Location, indeed. Unemployment payments in the different US states is about getting people to find another job, any job, as quickly as possible. The social safety net [or lack thereof] also varies in the different US states.
Someone in Texas who had a base wage of $1,500 a week will only get $534 a week for 26 weeks or until they start a new job, whichever happens first, if they qualify for unemployment in the first place. Some employers will go through extreme contortions in their attempts to prevent former employees getting anything. Here it comes to almost the same as your salary because when you're on EI you don't pay into Retirement fund, Employment insurance fund, and taxes are lower. And, if you're Laid Off as opposed to fired or you quitting, your employer gives you a signed form and off you go. |
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Musk's IQ is 155. But Einstein used to say a genius is just a clever person who works very hard.
