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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 25, 2023 22:42:19 GMT
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Post by Mag2024 on Feb 25, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
Wow, that's an interesting post. I just found out on Twitter that people are using AI to make covers.
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Post by Mag2024 on Feb 25, 2023 22:48:19 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 26, 2023 0:04:04 GMT
Apologies for the typo of 'interesting' in the post title, had a cat on my lap.
At any rate what I would input for a cover or illustration would be very different from what most other people would input, so basically yes the result is due to the person in question, but the Copyright Office isn't seeing it quite yet.
The issue is similar to can DNA [as in can the genetic material of an organism] be patented, and the answer is it depends. The DNA of a nature-made organism can't be patented, but the DNA of an engineered organism [currently] can be patented unless it's a human.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 26, 2023 1:50:04 GMT
Humans wrote the software that created it, and set the parameters, therefore the images are created by humans. It's a bit like saying a photo taken using a digital camera cannot be copyrighted. www.bing.com/search?go=Search&q=famous+digital+artists&qs=ds&form=QBREThe copyright office needs to get up to date, or in fact, someone there has made a mistake. I once approached a London art gallery asking if they would like to hang some of my art. Send some in, they said. I replied I can email it, and if you are interested I can get it printed, on canvas of you prefer. It's created to be Poster Size. What do you mean? they asked. I said it's created on a PC, freehand. No thanks! that's not art!! They responded. It was acutally not that long ago. I wonder if they still think the same? One of the UK's most famous living artists uses an Ipad now, at his great age. (Well I think he's still alive!)
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 26, 2023 1:58:24 GMT
www.makeuseof.com/copyright-rules-ai-art/Does the same apply to Andy Warhol's paintings of soup cans? Hardly original thinking. I recall some famous German artist who put on a display of common items he had bought, including a sink, and simply signed. Sold for a lot of money apparently! But again hardly original. How many people had been involved with the design and manufacture of those products? None of which were him.
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Post by potet on Feb 26, 2023 12:44:30 GMT
I experienced it with The Sims a couple of years ago. I wrote a short comic illustrated with screen captures of scenes with the characters I created. I asked EA, that owns The Sims, permission to publish. They refused recalling all the pictures generated by the game belonged to EA and could not be used commercially.
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Post by potet on Feb 26, 2023 12:49:21 GMT
I am currently writing a pornographic novel in French. I am not yet sure I'll ever make it public, but I continue all the same to the extent I have it printed with a cover of my own creation. I can do all this with Photoshop.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 26, 2023 17:37:25 GMT
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 26, 2023 23:58:02 GMT
View AttachmentI experienced it with The Sims a couple of years ago. I wrote a short comic illustrated with screen captures of scenes with the characters I created. I asked EA, that owns The Sims, permission to publish. They refused recalling all the pictures generated by the game belonged to EA and could not be used commercially. Yes, I recall you mentioning that. Perhaps you should not have asked? Because many people used the Sims to create 'plays' that they placed on youtube. Bands also. I assume they did not ask if they could and no one took them down. I think it was with Sims 1 and 2 it was possible to create clothing and wallpaper to be used in the game. Who had the rights to that?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 27, 2023 0:13:22 GMT
The argument about AI art not being original because algorithms use other images to create from, often 1000s of them, is a bit like saying a book cannot be copyrighted because the writer did not create the individual words. It's also been common for decades people creating original art but cutting things out of newspapers and magazines and sticking them to a canvas, or even to furniture. Very few things are truly original because they have all been influenced by something.
It reminds me of an old saying. Copying one thing is plagiarism. Copying from a few, is research.
The thing is though. For as long as I can remember there's always been a worldwide agreement that as soon as something is created, it's automatically copyrighted, as long as you can prove the date it was created, and that it was by you. (Ignored by countries like China though ...) (It's not the same as a Patent.) I think in the USA a copyright infringement case cannot go to court unless its been officially been copyrighted, I do not think it's the same elsewhere, it just often better to have it officially copyrighted, costs about £25 I think, even though many say it's often not worth the paper it's printed on. Although in the USA I assume a private case can be heard, as long as you can afford the lawyers!
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 27, 2023 0:20:22 GMT
Many games, and even films, use CGI 'engines' (software!) not created by them, but what they create is copyrighted. This is a common one in much use >>> www.blender.org/ and it's free.
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Post by potet on Feb 27, 2023 15:18:03 GMT
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