Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 20, 2020 15:50:46 GMT
Cruelty to both humans and animals is bad however "Acts of cruelty to animals are not mere indications of a minor personality flaw in the abuser; they are symptomatic of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty to animals don’t stop there—many of them move on to their fellow humans. “Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” says Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)."
That is a bizarre thing to include in such a discussion and is trying to sensationalise the subject of cruelty to humans. Does he include wars? Anyway, we are not really on about kids pulling the wings off insects here, we are on about what you and some others consider to be cruel farming practices. As I said to you, rarely in the press, even in the UK, one hears about some farm employee, not the actual farms, being cruel to an animal or animals in their care. Perhaps they did start off pulling wings off insects, but I doubt the farmers themselves are potential closet murderers.
I too live in a small Market Town and am surrounded by some very good farms. Yes we have good farms but we also have some very bad ones in the UK.
Quite so, but not many. Nowadays people want to know where there meat is from, how it is raised, and by who. Due to many TV progs about it, people are in fact now actually very aware. Supermarkets now make a point of it, because the better raised the meat, the more they can charge for it.
We are not the worst counntry.
Indeed, and we have no control over those whatsoever. The governments of many countries really don't care, not even about their people.
"The increase in mega farms – which critics describe as “cruel and unnecessary” – is part of a 26% rise in intensive factory farming in six years, a shift that is transforming the British countryside."The Guardian
I actually pay little heed to what newspapers say. They can turn something that is a tiny affair in to something that looks like a widespread problem. Sensationalism sells papers. It's also dangerous that some other sites take small segments out of the news out of context to prove a point. But, I do recall a report some time ago on the popping up of the factory farms here, and they are all American owned. It would not surprise me that their only customer is MacDonald's. In days of yore I had a lot of dealings with American companies setting up shop here, either not knowing UK laws, bending them, or just ignoring them. I suppose nowadays that claim would be aimed at such as Facebook and Google. Thankfully, here, systems are already in place to point out their errors.
www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2017/07/interactive-map-exposes-uk-factory-farming-hotspots
Also I must stress that I have never pushed veganism or vegetarianism and am not against the kind of farms that do not fall into the catogory of intensive farms or factory farms.
Indeed, it would be suicidal to be entirely against the mass farming of animals, unless you own a smallholding.
Yes the world has too many people and they must be fed. Use the land where crops are grown to feed animals and reduce the number of animals kept for their meat. Use the freed-up land to grow food for humans instead.
Indeed. But poor countries also have to get some type of income. But thankfully in some other countries deserts are being turned in to farmland, and vast areas going under glass to grow fruit and veg. There's a lot of space to farm in, but it has to be expensively adjusted in order to farm it. But it will get worse as the planet gets warmer. More and more deserts, but trying to feed more and more people.
People need to eat less meat.
Well thankfully it's not cheap. Cheaper than the days people only had descent meat on a Sunday, but still not cheap.
Also I think that couples they should limit the number of children they bring into our world.
Well, in many countries they do, but in many others they have a lot of children because a high percentage of them die, regardless of charitable aid. It was like that in the UK not that long ago, until better sanitation, the NHS and penicillin.
Lets leave a decent planet for the next generation.
How meat is created is the least of the world's problems. Give it another 100 years and there will be wars over land, not just over oil bearing land, or the neighbouring country looked at them 'funny' a 1000 years ago. Just land to live on and grow things on. The planet can actually sort out its own problems caused by us, by killing us off.
Anyway, as I have said, there are already many books on the subject, even for kids, already, and organisations trying to solve things, so simply publish for your own satisfaction, like I often suspect we all do.
That is a bizarre thing to include in such a discussion and is trying to sensationalise the subject of cruelty to humans. Does he include wars? Anyway, we are not really on about kids pulling the wings off insects here, we are on about what you and some others consider to be cruel farming practices. As I said to you, rarely in the press, even in the UK, one hears about some farm employee, not the actual farms, being cruel to an animal or animals in their care. Perhaps they did start off pulling wings off insects, but I doubt the farmers themselves are potential closet murderers.
I too live in a small Market Town and am surrounded by some very good farms. Yes we have good farms but we also have some very bad ones in the UK.
Quite so, but not many. Nowadays people want to know where there meat is from, how it is raised, and by who. Due to many TV progs about it, people are in fact now actually very aware. Supermarkets now make a point of it, because the better raised the meat, the more they can charge for it.
We are not the worst counntry.
Indeed, and we have no control over those whatsoever. The governments of many countries really don't care, not even about their people.
"The increase in mega farms – which critics describe as “cruel and unnecessary” – is part of a 26% rise in intensive factory farming in six years, a shift that is transforming the British countryside."The Guardian
I actually pay little heed to what newspapers say. They can turn something that is a tiny affair in to something that looks like a widespread problem. Sensationalism sells papers. It's also dangerous that some other sites take small segments out of the news out of context to prove a point. But, I do recall a report some time ago on the popping up of the factory farms here, and they are all American owned. It would not surprise me that their only customer is MacDonald's. In days of yore I had a lot of dealings with American companies setting up shop here, either not knowing UK laws, bending them, or just ignoring them. I suppose nowadays that claim would be aimed at such as Facebook and Google. Thankfully, here, systems are already in place to point out their errors.
www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2017/07/interactive-map-exposes-uk-factory-farming-hotspots
Also I must stress that I have never pushed veganism or vegetarianism and am not against the kind of farms that do not fall into the catogory of intensive farms or factory farms.
Indeed, it would be suicidal to be entirely against the mass farming of animals, unless you own a smallholding.
Yes the world has too many people and they must be fed. Use the land where crops are grown to feed animals and reduce the number of animals kept for their meat. Use the freed-up land to grow food for humans instead.
Indeed. But poor countries also have to get some type of income. But thankfully in some other countries deserts are being turned in to farmland, and vast areas going under glass to grow fruit and veg. There's a lot of space to farm in, but it has to be expensively adjusted in order to farm it. But it will get worse as the planet gets warmer. More and more deserts, but trying to feed more and more people.
People need to eat less meat.
Well thankfully it's not cheap. Cheaper than the days people only had descent meat on a Sunday, but still not cheap.
Also I think that couples they should limit the number of children they bring into our world.
Well, in many countries they do, but in many others they have a lot of children because a high percentage of them die, regardless of charitable aid. It was like that in the UK not that long ago, until better sanitation, the NHS and penicillin.
Lets leave a decent planet for the next generation.
How meat is created is the least of the world's problems. Give it another 100 years and there will be wars over land, not just over oil bearing land, or the neighbouring country looked at them 'funny' a 1000 years ago. Just land to live on and grow things on. The planet can actually sort out its own problems caused by us, by killing us off.
Anyway, as I have said, there are already many books on the subject, even for kids, already, and organisations trying to solve things, so simply publish for your own satisfaction, like I often suspect we all do.