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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2023 23:54:03 GMT
Many things don't have to make sense, but the situation I described does make a certain sort of sense. For 911 Addressing [for County Emergency Services out in the rural areas here, the Tax Office, local Law Enforcement, and State Department of Public Safety {a.k.a. State Police}] want GPS coordinates and closest road, meaning if you're on the leg of a road to the East of the nearest intersection [where applicable] you're listed as East, West being the opposite situation. If you're just off a main route then address is listed as the route number and North or South depending on other criteria. The US Post Office for rural addresses looks at road number and whether it's East, West, North, or South of a main road or route. Other criteria most likely apply. For the locals we're East, for the Federal Government we're West. For the confused, have a snort of Irish Whiskey [or libation of choice]. Some things don't have to make a lot of sense. Things should make sense!
I have no idea what the US PO has to do with how all the other services operate to get around. There's an address, including a zipcode. Type it in to GPS and it tells you how to get there. Although a lot of US addresses have a box at the gate do they not? Is that so they don't get shot as a trespasser? In the UK most addresses have a slot in a door to bung mail through. Or for parcels, they are supposed to knock!
A lot of UK companies use this www.route-master.com/routemaster-planner/ Route planning managers for HGV companies have to take and exam and get a licence to say they can competently plan routes so as to not waste time or cause too much congestion and pollution, and not get stuck under low bridges. That software as been in use for decades and will plan from single to multi-drops. But I doubt postal delivery companies have to get the competence licence! Very often parcels are delivered to a local address where a self-employed courier lives, who then drops them off at the end address. A lot of stuff in the UK is delivered by owner-drivers of the dreaded white vans who get paid by the drop, so they try to do it as fast as possible. It's usually them who only pretend to try. Those who make a bit of an attempt do knock on the door, but never give people time to answer the door!
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 8, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
Many things don't have to make sense, but the situation I described does make a certain sort of sense. For 911 Addressing [for County Emergency Services out in the rural areas here, the Tax Office, local Law Enforcement, and State Department of Public Safety {a.k.a. State Police}] want GPS coordinates and closest road, meaning if you're on the leg of a road to the East of the nearest intersection [where applicable] you're listed as East, West being the opposite situation. If you're just off a main route then address is listed as the route number and North or South depending on other criteria. The US Post Office for rural addresses looks at road number and whether it's East, West, North, or South of a main road or route. Other criteria most likely apply. For the locals we're East, for the Federal Government we're West. For the confused, have a snort of Irish Whiskey [or libation of choice]. Some things don't have to make a lot of sense. Things should make sense!
I have no idea what the US PO has to do with how all the other services operate to get around. There's an address, including a zipcode. Type it in to GPS and it tells you how to get there. Although a lot of US addresses have a box at the gate do they not? Is that so they don't get shot as a trespasser? In the UK most addresses have a slot in a door to bung mail through. Or for parcels, they are supposed to knock!
A lot of UK companies use this www.route-master.com/routemaster-planner/ Route planning managers for HGV companies have to take and exam and get a licence to say they can competently plan routes so as to not waste time or cause too much congestion and pollution, and not get stuck under low bridges. That software as been in use for decades and will plan from single to multi-drops. But I doubt postal delivery companies have to get the competence licence! Very often parcels are delivered to a local address where a self-employed courier lives, who then drops them off at the end address. A lot of stuff in the UK is delivered by owner-drivers of the dreaded white vans who get paid by the drop, so they try to do it as fast as possible. It's usually them who only pretend to try. Those who make a bit of an attempt do knock on the door, but never give people time to answer the door!
Should things make sense? Yes. Is there any set of international laws or treaties requiring everything to make sense? No.
The Post Office delivers mail. Mail is usually but not always delivered to addresses. Other services typically use the same addresses as the Post Office.
Out in rural areas mail boxes can be a mile or more from the homes they serve, at times the big multi box drop-offs serving an entire neighborhood or subdivision. This lowers costs for the Postal Service.
UPS, Fedex, 911 Emergency Services [law enforcement, ambulance, fire service, etc...] need to know exactly where you live, meaning out in rural areas they need GPS coordinates and an address marker since the mail box often can be a good distance from the house.
We have a No Trespassing sign down by where our drive meets the road. Someone making a delivery, law enforcement asking questions, ambulance drivers, and others with legitimate business, none of them are trespassers. People riding ATVs/UTVs across our property while drunk, looking for something to steal or other trouble to get into are trespassers, plus we have small children and the terrain is such people being reckless can get them hurt or killed. If you're trespassing and find a way to get hurt, you have a bit more difficulty suing someone for damages especially if your trespassing incidents have been reported to law enforcement.
As I've explained to law enforcement on a couple or three occasions even though legal I'd rather not shoot or use an edged weapon to solve a problem with a trespasser. There's the mess left behind to be cleaned up, turkey vultures looking for what they smell, and so on.
Mail boxes at the road or a set location for multiple addresses is more about lowering delivery costs.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 9, 2023 0:05:25 GMT
Things should make sense!
I have no idea what the US PO has to do with how all the other services operate to get around. There's an address, including a zipcode. Type it in to GPS and it tells you how to get there. Although a lot of US addresses have a box at the gate do they not? Is that so they don't get shot as a trespasser? In the UK most addresses have a slot in a door to bung mail through. Or for parcels, they are supposed to knock!
A lot of UK companies use this www.route-master.com/routemaster-planner/ Route planning managers for HGV companies have to take and exam and get a licence to say they can competently plan routes so as to not waste time or cause too much congestion and pollution, and not get stuck under low bridges. That software as been in use for decades and will plan from single to multi-drops. But I doubt postal delivery companies have to get the competence licence! Very often parcels are delivered to a local address where a self-employed courier lives, who then drops them off at the end address. A lot of stuff in the UK is delivered by owner-drivers of the dreaded white vans who get paid by the drop, so they try to do it as fast as possible. It's usually them who only pretend to try. Those who make a bit of an attempt do knock on the door, but never give people time to answer the door!
Should things make sense? Yes. Is there any set of international laws or treaties requiring everything to make sense? No.
To do with mail. Yes. Not every postage service operates in every county, so there's a sort of 'you scratch my back ...' agreement to handle each others' mail. Not to mention to cooperate with Tracking.
The Post Office delivers mail. Mail is usually but not always delivered to addresses. Other services typically use the same addresses as the Post Office.
Indeed, there are many companies who deliver post and parcels now, but they use the same addresses, all built in to GPS direction mapping (I forget who creates the incredible software that does that, but it's just one company) otherwise addresses would be pointless.
Out in rural areas mail boxes can be a mile or more from the homes they serve, at times the big multi box drop-offs serving an entire neighborhood or subdivision. This lowers costs for the Postal Service.
Some in the UK also have very long drives from their boundary to the house, but unless arranged otherwise, including a simple 'please leave mail in box provided' the postal/parcel system is to the door. The delivery companies charge whatever it costs.
UPS, Fedex, 911 Emergency Services [law enforcement, ambulance, fire service, etc...] need to know exactly where you live, meaning out in rural areas they need GPS coordinates and an address marker since the mail box often can be a good distance from the house.
Yes, and GPS tells them exactly were you are, if you give them an address. If you gave it to me I could find out where you are. It's just one GPS system anyone can use. One would assume that the US mailboxes are at the start of some road or track to a house or whatever? Which would be a clue as to where it is!
We have a No Trespassing sign down by where our drive meets the road. Someone making a delivery, law enforcement asking questions, ambulance drivers, and others with legitimate business, none of them are trespassers. People riding ATVs/UTVs across our property while drunk, looking for something to steal or other trouble to get into are trespassers, plus we have small children and the terrain is such people being reckless can get them hurt or killed. If you're trespassing and find a way to get hurt, you have a bit more difficulty suing someone for damages especially if your trespassing incidents have been reported to law enforcement.
I have no idea what that has got to do with it.
As I've explained to law enforcement on a couple or three occasions even though legal I'd rather not shoot or use an edged weapon to solve a problem with a trespasser. There's the mess left behind to be cleaned up, turkey vultures looking for what they smell, and so on.
Scavenging creatures serve that exact purpose. Don't deprive them of a free meal.
Mail boxes at the road or a set location for multiple addresses is more about lowering delivery costs.
Well as I say, here it just costs what it costs. They are all private enterprises. Pay the cost or you don't get it delivered! What used to be the Government owned GPO here was split up and sold off. One part handled post, the other handled landline phones. The to try to make them more efficient, the mail service was later spilt from the parcel service. Not that it made them any better. It's all changed now. Dozens of companies handle parcels and just as many provide phone services. Apparently market forces and competition keeps prices down (why the GPO was sold off) but it does not. It's mostly technology that does that.
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Post by potet on May 13, 2023 17:18:26 GMT
Today (Saturday 2023-05-13)I sent a letter to the French printer telling them the whole story and asking them not to send me any parcel through UPS. On the other hand, I discovered in my Lulu account that the parcel was returned to them yesterday. I was curious to see what the UPS agency in my town looked like. The street view supplied by Google somehow leaves me the impression it is fake. (arrow and writing are mine)
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 14, 2023 0:58:49 GMT
Google Earth and Streetview are often around 3 years out of date. It's some agreement with whoever owns the satellites, so they are never a security risk by their 'live' ability to target missiles ...
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 14, 2023 1:01:08 GMT
And not only that, the Streetview camera car often only goes down roads on a Sunday because it's quieter. A day when most places are shut.
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Post by potet on May 14, 2023 16:58:41 GMT
Google Earth and Streetview are often around 3 years out of date. It's some agreement with whoever owns the satellites, so they are never a security risk by their 'live' ability to target missiles ... Yes, you are right. I still don't see how UPS could have a garage for delivery vans at that address. The yard on the right is not a commercial one, but for the residents of the building.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 15, 2023 0:12:46 GMT
I have to be honest and say the robust looking iron door/gate you have at the entrance to your building would put a lot of casual viewers off. The building looks to be closed, that if it was possible to get in then that gate would be open and a 'normal' door would be exposed. That could be possibly what a delivery driver sat in his van outside may think and just drive away.
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Post by potet on May 15, 2023 10:59:42 GMT
I have to be honest and say the robust looking iron door/gate you have at the entrance to your building would put a lot of casual viewers off. The building looks to be closed, that if it was possible to get in then that gate would be open and a 'normal' door would be exposed. That could be possibly what a delivery driver sat in his van outside may think and just drive away. If you mean this street door: frankly I don't see what problem it might pose. There is a digital pad with a code used on Sundays. Any other day, the postman or a deliverer just have to press the bottom button and push the door open. How come the UPS delivery person cannot enter as do their colleagues? Once in the lobby, if they can't find their way to my apartment, they can always ask directions from the caretaker ( concierge) whose lodge is there; and if the caretaker's explanations are beyond their understanding, they can always leave the parcel with her. To me, there is something fishy with UPS, at least where I live. Look, those morons bothered to send back the parcel to the French printer, while it would have been far easier to just deliver it to my physical address.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 15, 2023 22:26:54 GMT
It's what they see before they get out of their van, and just think F it. I expect it's the actual final driver who is to blame. It's far easier for him to not get out the van and just leave your parcel in it. UPS may be morons, but they make huge profits in France. Try this >>> www.ups.com/fr/en/support/contact-us.page
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 15, 2023 22:29:22 GMT
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 15, 2023 22:37:59 GMT
You really have to wonder how they get away with it, but UPS are not the only bad ones. Trustpilot is always a good place to look for opinions. It's shocking that not all companies bother to look at what's thought about them. It can't be good for the reputation of the companies who use UPS. Who to harass about them using UPS? I have never been sure if Lulu arrange pick up from the printers, or it's the printers who deal with delivery, sending Lulu the bill. I would give them both serious earache.
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Post by potet on May 16, 2023 7:38:36 GMT
I pay for my parcels to be Colissimo formated and delivered by the postal service, not by UPS. UPS is insane; look at that:
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 17, 2023 23:22:35 GMT
you have no control over who the postal service contract out to.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 17, 2023 23:24:44 GMT
It's a shame your books are not on Amazon, then maybe delivery would be more efficient. Could you try getting it delivered to a near-by friend's home, to see what happens? Maybe they will get it, maybe they will not!
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