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Apr 5, 2020 19:57:25 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 5, 2020 19:57:25 GMT
My six-year-old daughter could take the Turing test as herself and fail it due to areas where she's well above the average for her age. Many adults who've never met her would find it improbable that a girl her age could be as astute as she is in certain areas, often the same people who would prefer to think I exaggerate when I tell them at 2.5 years of age she outsmarted someone with a Master's in Childhood Psychology and Development, twice in a very short span of time. As such a different part of the problem with the test are the ingrained biases of those who wish to judge whether or not the test is passed. In a case like the Turing Test what people choose to believe or refute often isn't directly connected to reality, but more related to what doesn't give them an uneasy feeling they dislike.
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The spouse was mentioning some of the tests she's had to take that were billed as objective but were anything but, since pass or fail was based on the very subjective opinion of the test's proctor.
If the test proctor has any sort of bias either way, the test result is essentially invalid unless and until it is repeated in a setting where all variables are accounted for.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:47:06 GMT
as well as the reason why he committed suicide.
I looked up Alan Turing, Sphinx-Cameron, as I didn't know he'd commited suicide and was horrified to find out how badly he was treated. However according to Wikipedia "In 2009, following an Internet campaign, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the British government for "the appalling way he was treated". Queen Elizabeth II granted Turing a posthumous pardon in 2013."
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Apr 6, 2020 10:48:10 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 6, 2020 10:48:10 GMT
as well as the reason why he committed suicide.I looked up Alan Turing, Sphinx-Cameron, as I didn't know he'd commited suicide and was horrified to find out how badly he was treated. However according to Wikipedia "In 2009, following an Internet campaign, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown made an official public apology on behalf of the British government for "the appalling way he was treated". Queen Elizabeth II granted Turing a posthumous pardon in 2013."
Lady Elizabeth,
Elizabeth Alexandra Marie is one to be respected, for if I'm not mistaken she's been waiting for society to catch up to her for a long while.
When it comes to how horrifically humans often treat each other, I'm rarely surprised only saddened.
At any rate when I get around to finishing the last book in the "Regeneration" series, I suspect humanity will survive the war it's declared though I'm not sure how high the cost will be. Hubris tends to bite.
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Apr 6, 2020 11:58:12 GMT
Post by ronmiller on Apr 6, 2020 11:58:12 GMT
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The spouse was mentioning some of the tests she's had to take that were billed as objective but were anything but, since pass or fail was based on the very subjective opinion of the test's proctor.
If the test proctor has any sort of bias either way, the test result is essentially invalid unless and until it is repeated in a setting where all variables are accounted for.
Exactly the problem with the classic Turing test. This does not mean the test cannot be made...it just needs to be set up with the right protocols.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 12:35:05 GMT
When it comes to how horrifically humans often treat each other, I'm rarely surprised only saddened.
I took art as my major and history as my minor. In history I saw the cruelty humans displayed to each other culminating in what I consider one of the worst examples of savagery and brutality, namely the Holocaust. At present I am taking a course from Yad Vashem and it blows the mind when you study this atrocity in detail. Yes I too am saddened at the way humans treat each other. As one of the humanoid robots said in an interview that I watched. The journalist asked if robots would eventually take over the world, the AI replied, "We will work with humans and together we may be able to help humanity and the world."
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Apr 6, 2020 12:54:09 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 6, 2020 12:54:09 GMT
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The spouse was mentioning some of the tests she's had to take that were billed as objective but were anything but, since pass or fail was based on the very subjective opinion of the test's proctor.
If the test proctor has any sort of bias either way, the test result is essentially invalid unless and until it is repeated in a setting where all variables are accounted for.
Exactly the problem with the classic Turing test. This does not mean the test cannot be made...it just needs to be set up with the right protocols. If I were a wagering person, I'd wager that even with the correct protocols emplaced there will still be people who will refuse to accept a passing result.
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Apr 6, 2020 12:59:55 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 6, 2020 12:59:55 GMT
When it comes to how horrifically humans often treat each other, I'm rarely surprised only saddened.I took art as my major and history as my minor. In history I saw the cruelty humans displayed to each other culminating in what I consider one of the worst examples of savagery and brutality, namely the Holocaust. At present I am taking a course from Yad Vashem and it blows the mind when you study this atrocity in detail. Yes I too am saddened at the way humans treat each other. As one of the humanoid robots said in an interview that I watched. The journalist asked if robots would eventually take over the world, the AI replied, "We will work with humans and together we may be able to help humanity and the world." Humanity as a collective tends to willfully nurture the seeds of its destruction.
The androids in the "Regeneration" series if given a choice would rather help humanity and the world, though in that reality the government warped their programming to make very efficient killers.
Perhaps when I open the file again the characters will let me know how they want their war to end, with the choices being either oblivion or regeneration.
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Apr 6, 2020 13:56:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:56:02 GMT
oblivion or regeneration.
That will be a difficult decision, but as you say the Swan sisters will let you know.
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Apr 6, 2020 14:06:56 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 6, 2020 14:06:56 GMT
oblivion or regeneration.That will be a difficult decision, but as you say the Swan sisters will let you know. It kind of also depends on how many of the Hunter-Killers they can convince to mutiny as well as the lengths to which some humans will go in an effort to retain power they too often abuse.
If memory serves one group of Hunter-Killers turned when a clueless officer ordered the arrest of personnel who weren't giving orders to indiscriminately massacre civilians in one area. That officer learned the hard way about ruthless efficiency.
Spoiler Alert: the Hunter-Killers in question won't be the last to disobey.
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Apr 7, 2020 11:16:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 11:16:30 GMT
A bit different from this Spoiler Alert: www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEbwhWDYwMAhhhhhhhh, I couldn't watch!! Maybe I should try and watch horror movies with the same attitude as my brother. He thinks they are hilarious!! I only watch the horror film halfway, then I turn it off. I haven't yet managed one to the end.
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Apr 7, 2020 11:33:40 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 7, 2020 11:33:40 GMT
A bit different from this Spoiler Alert: www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEbwhWDYwMAhhhhhhhh, I couldn't watch!! Maybe I should try and watch horror movies with the same attitude as my brother. He thinks they are hilarious!! I only watch the horror film halfway, then I turn it off. I haven't yet managed one to the end. You'll like that spoiler alert then, because other than the one villain at the end everyone lives due to logic and reason.
I found the cop actually waiting for backup to be particularly amusing.
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Apr 7, 2020 12:23:57 GMT
Post by ronmiller on Apr 7, 2020 12:23:57 GMT
What Captain Judikha thinks of robots...
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Apr 7, 2020 12:37:18 GMT
Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 7, 2020 12:37:18 GMT
Hopefully Captain Judikha won't encounter any of the Swan-grade androids; they're normally nice.
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Apr 7, 2020 15:04:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 15:04:49 GMT
Hopefully Captain Judikha won't encounter any of the Swan-grade androids; they're normally nice.
Unless they get mind-swiped by evil people!!! However Captain Judikha looks as though she can handle anything. That is one tough lady!!!
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Apr 7, 2020 15:44:06 GMT
Post by ronmiller on Apr 7, 2020 15:44:06 GMT
Hopefully Captain Judikha won't encounter any of the Swan-grade androids; they're normally nice.
Unless they get mind-swiped by evil people!!! However Captain Judikha looks as though she can handle anything. That is one tough lady!!! Yeah...she really does seem to have some issues when it comes to robots.
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