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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jul 25, 2020 1:33:42 GMT
Mag2024 ... :-) ... I know men in my immediate surroundings (family) who love to debate, and debate, and debate - one cannot get a word in edgeways. So I know exactly what you mean ;-) And Kevin 2024 ... you said: "But, very often when their kids learn that perhaps as little as 100 miles away there's a city where they can get a job that does not involve shooting monkeys out of trees with poisoned darts and digging for roots, they are off like a shot, and having to learn the dominant language." ... yep, that's the difference, leaving one's 'home/village/country' and going to someone else's 'home/village/country', one needs to learn the dominant language - no arguments from me - but if the kids from the bush come to the city, expecting city-folk to learn the bush language, that's a bit different. It is expected that 'invaders' do that, but not 'welcome outlanders'. I did not expect any NewZealanders to learn Alemannisch, so that I could have a chinwag with them - I took it as natural that I learned English, in order to create a new life for myself, because I went to their country; if they had come to Switzerland, I would have expected them to learn one of the 4 Swiss languages, depending on where they ended up. The English have the habit of expecting everyone to speak English, because we once colonised most of the planet. It's not the same now, but at one time many countries taught English as a second language. The Swedish still seem able to speak English better than wot we do. But of course the obvious answer to a language gap is to speak slower and louder, as if conversing with an idiot.But it's true, history is written by the victor; also: strength in numbers: integrate or vanish - mind you, I don't know how much more integrating I can do before I vanish at my age of 65 ... <grin> Some countries had the idea that if some group did not intergrade, they got wiped out. The ethnic cleansing habits of dictators as well as conquerors. Aside: This tread is converging a little with this one: lulu.boards.net/thread/265/children-books Robots ... has anyone watched the British TV drama series 'HUMANS'? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_(TV_series) ... beware of pushing the button that switches on 'self-awareness' ... ;-) Indeed. Although the activate sex software mini-cd was interesting.Just another thought, about archaeological discoveries: how to preserve those into the future? Is this possible at all? Depends what they are I suppose, and where they are found. If cash can be made from tourists they are preserved. If they are discovered prior to building, a year is given to examine them, before they are built over. The UK is full of ancient stuff, so unless it's very unusual it's just noted and built over. In the UK, some digs are examined, and due to time and money, are often marked and buried again, to perhaps be looked at in greater detail in the future.
Especially given the thread somewhere else about how to preserve works that 'only' exist in digital form - on what media are the documentations of these archaeological finds written and archived (other than stone monuments and metal artefacts representing the find itself) - human nature tends to distort, or 'rewrite memories' to fit any given 'present way of thinking'. Things are rapidly being digitized and put on the net, and/or stored underground somewhere like Iceland, and put on the cloud. It would take an absolute worldwide catastrophe to destroy it all. The museums in London have so much stuff, they don't even know what they do have, but are working through it.Maybe how we interpret archaeological finds isn't at all how it once was in reality ... reality exists in 8billion different interpretations. I'm never sure about how to integrate, and make one whole reality of, the varying ingrediences such as: appearance of solid objects, interpretation through science, veneration by religion[any], viewed with superstition, explained with mathematical equasion, or whatever else there is to interprete a solid physical object 're-discovered' after eons of having been buried since the dinosaurs walked the Earth. Maybe homo sapiens ought to have stopped overthinking life while they were on a winning streak, having just left the Rift Valley. It's called science. Long gone are the Victorian ideas that everything they did not understand was either phallic or religious. And apparently it's been discovered that homo sapiens did not all begin in one spot.The name 'Eskimo' is no longer in vogue ... neither is 'Laplander' ... tho for the latter the ice age has ended as the permafrost is now thawing up there ... maybe the ice age hasn't quite ended yet, and the planet is still thawing ... a few more thousand years, and the Earth's crust won't be that crusty anymore, and fly off in all directions as wads of sodden peatmoss. 'If you can think of it, it exists.' Apparently ice ages are the norm for the planet. We just happen to be in a warm period, and it does not help that we are making it even warmer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 3:20:02 GMT
Kevin, I have a brother and a son. Men love to debate. As do some females. I, on the other hand, just like stating my opinion and moving on. That does seem to be a common habit, but at least you move on. Some keep repeating it against all evidence.Sorry, that's sexist. I take it back. Not sure how it is sexist unless you are saying no females like to debate. The men I know love to debate. It's Ok as long as all they debate about is not football. I find many males boring Still, as I read your post earlier today it made me smile See, I do have my uses.You have many uses, Kevin.😊 Thanks for defending me.
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Post by benziger on Jul 25, 2020 19:17:21 GMT
Imagine the English teaching in English schools exclusively in Scottish Gaelic to make living with the Scots easier. This is what is happening in Switzerland at the moment: native Alemannic is banned in schools. After all, it is the language of about 20 million people in German-speaking Switzerland, Alsace, Baden, Württemberg, Liechtenstein, Vorarlberg, Swabia and some valleys in northern Italy. Instead of German immigrants in Switzerland adapting and learning the national alemannic language, the natives adapt and speak an alemannic-german mix. The opposite of "integrate or get wiped out".
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jul 26, 2020 0:08:53 GMT
And even Toblarone is now owned by an American company.
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Jul 26, 2020 8:01:23 GMT
benziger - I would find my 'homeland' quite alien now - in fact in 2000 it was already a 'foreign country' to me when I visited after having been away for almost 2 decades. I thank my lucky stars that I had the intestinal fortitude 31 years ago to move to Tasmania. It's isolated, the borders are closed - at present there is 1 active covid case ... we're so far off the beaten track that up here in the north west, we're said to have the cleanest air on the planet - and with about 600,000 people all up (except in tourist peak seasons), it's definitely not overcrowded. The only language difficulty is to decipher the new-fangled words for dishes on the eating places' menues. The world has moved past me ... I know I will never sit into an aeroplane again to travel to some place that would definitely give me the heebeegeebees. I couldn't see myself living in the Alemannish language realm now ... anyway, that's my sentiment about that language debacle: I'm glad I don't have to experience it, such hypocrisy by a society (white, western) condemning other cultures for discriminating against minorities, yet support it in their own backyard. And Kevin 2024 - I buy Lindt - is that still Swiss?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jul 27, 2020 2:52:50 GMT
They do still seem to be Swiss based, but with so many factories around the world, it's possible most of it is no longer made there.
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Jul 27, 2020 5:11:15 GMT
SHOCK HORROR! I just looked at the packet - manufactured in Germany ;-)
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Post by BlueAndGold on Jul 27, 2020 11:55:30 GMT
I eat Lindt 90% Dark Chocolate every day as a coffee substitute. It is manufactured in New Hampshire, USA.
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Post by benziger on Jul 27, 2020 20:27:18 GMT
When I go down to the lake and look far to the right, I see the factory on the other bank. But as previous speakers have rightly said, today they have many other production sites. The recipe is the same. But when the cows in Germany have eaten German grass or in the USA American grass, the milk tastes different and so does the chocolate. It's like beer, where it depends on the water... With Toblerone the case is a little bit different. It is still Swiss chocolate, although it is made elsewhere: The chocolate mass is made in Switzerland. Then it is poured into the mould at a (cheaper) place. This means for example "Made in Germany with Swiss chocolate". If you want to eat Swiss chocolate, you don't have to look at the brand, but at the country of production. I was once in England and out of pure wonder I visited a cheap shop. Poundland or 99p shop. They had Swiss chocolate for £1 (or 99p). A big bar 200 or 250g. Green and white packaging with the inscription "Migros M-Budget Fr. 2.30". This is the cheap private label of the Migros supermarket. And Fr. 2.30 was then the current exchange rate for 1£. Poundland only put an address label with the English product name and contents on it. There was 100% Switzerland in it - but there are better ones; also from the same manufacturer (Chocolat Frey). Some examples (scroll down!) - note: Lindt, Suchard and Milka are Swiss brands, but no more always manufactured in Switzerland.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Jul 28, 2020 0:34:48 GMT
There's no milk in the 90%. That's why it's so satisfying. Mmmmmm! Bourbon vanilla beans! Milk chocolate is NOT chocolate. It's chocolate flavored sugar yuk. I can take the 85% in a pinch, but if it is any less cocoa than that, I won't eat the nasty sugary stuff. Lindt und Sprungli make the very best!
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jul 28, 2020 1:35:30 GMT
British people I know living in the USA will not eat chocolate made there, they ask friends to send them Cadburys made in the UK. This is why I expect >> www.businessinsider.com.au/why-british-and-american-chocolate-taste-different-2015-1 Americans don't notice because they are used to it, but apparently love European chocolate when they come here. I would assume that no matter what brand is on a label, all chocolate is made with the ingredients to hand wherever the factory is, it saves on shipping. It makes little sense to import cocoa from S America to Europe to process it, only to then ship it back to the States. Oh, and many brands make high cocoa content chocolate. Aldi's 90% brand is inexpensive (And apparently made in Belgium. Aldi are German.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 1:40:41 GMT
British people I know living in the USA will not eat chocolate made there, they ask friends to send them Cadburys made in the UK. This is why I expect >> www.businessinsider.com.au/why-british-and-american-chocolate-taste-different-2015-1 Americans don't notice because they are used to it, but apparently love European chocolate when they come here. I would assume that no matter what brand is on a label, all chocolate is made with the ingredients to hand wherever the factory is, it saves on shipping. It makes little sense to import cocoa from S America to Europe to process it, only to then ship it back to the States. Oh, and many brands make high cocoa content chocolate. Aldi's 90% brand is inexpensive (And apparently made in Belgium. Aldi are German.) Kevin...sorry to jump but I've been meaning to ask you for years and there's never been a right time. So, if I may.
Some British person called me a name that begins with P. It was interesting and I had to look it up. But I have since forgotten, and it's nagging at me. I'd like to know. Something like Ponter...
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Jul 28, 2020 5:42:26 GMT
BlueAndGold - Ah! a fellow fan of the 90% Lindt - I have it after dinner, tho must limit it to 2 squares, or I won't sleep - it definitely is a coffee substitute. Hubby likes the 75%, but that's a little too sweet for me; have you tried the 95%? That's really cacao-y. And yours is made in New Hampshire no less! The supermarket supply here sometimes does have Swiss-made Lindt. benziger - and this camillebloch.ch/en/Many years ago, Mother and I were enjoying a bar of sorts by Camille Bloch when she mused about the meaning of the 'lips' drawn on the wrapper in thin gold line ... I got the giggles ... The bottom lip line was, of course the 'C' and the thin outline of the upper lip the 'B' ... I never forget the face she made. Ragusa my favorite because I love nuts. And Kevin 2024 - chocolate made in USA has a few 'contamination' warnings - it's to do with the raw material of the cacao beans - but don't ask me details. Belgium chocolate is also very nice. .....which is a nice 'alternative' to Swiss chocolate - this just to keep to the thread if only with one subject word ...
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Post by BlueAndGold on Jul 28, 2020 12:04:26 GMT
Ah! Tasmanian knows the pleasure of which I speak! Yes, I've tried the 95% but prefer the 90%. I think it's because of the vanilla beans added to the 90%? I tried a bar of 99% (yes, ninety-nine percent) chocolate I got at an international market which taught me what the bean really tastes like. Now I know the subtle flavor most never seem to experience. Yes, I think most Americans think Hershey's makes chocolate. They do not. The very best they produce (their "Special Dark") is only 49%, if memory serves. Not worthy of a second look.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:47:21 GMT
Ah! Tasmanian knows the pleasure of which I speak! Yes, I've tried the 95% but prefer the 90%. I think it's because of the vanilla beans added to the 90%? I tried a bar of 99% (yes, ninety-nine percent) chocolate I got at an international market which taught me what the bean really tastes like. Now I know the subtle flavor most never seem to experience. Yes, I think most Americans think Hershey's makes chocolate. They do not. The very best they produce (their "Special Dark") is only 49%, if memory serves. Not worthy of a second look. Ok, I'm buying chocolate this morning.
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