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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 29, 2020 1:13:29 GMT
Anyway, I need my reading glasses on to do art now.
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 29, 2020 11:37:42 GMT
Indeed. I was taught that in art college, I've taught it myself, my artist friends and colleagues (both illustrators and fine artists) use such techniques...and I even posted a link to a web page that explains how useful these techniques are. It's not something one necessarily does with every single work. It's just a technique to apply when needed. Let's see. I had two art teachers in primary school. Three in secondary (around the time I had two paintings in the Tate). I think there was around six in art college. Not one mentioned such techniques (although it would have been messy in the ceramics section). Ditto with a mate of mines advertising design company, one of the largest in Manchester, when I used to wander around it. The above says it all really. " It's not something one necessarily does with every single work. It's just a technique to apply when needed." Perhaps experienced artists don't need to? And teachers know if their pupils need to?What sort of art college did you attend that afforded you only six instructors the entire time you were there? Or did you not attend very long? My college was a four-year degree school. The first year consisted of foundation courses and was required regardless of what a student's planned major was to be (my first year at the school was on a scholarship). I majored in Illustration and minored in Advertising. I graduated with a BFA. Going back over my old yearbook I see that I had more than a dozen different instructors. The courses included in my major ranged from figure drawing, graphics and 2-dimensional design to typography, studio painting and photography, among many others. This was followed by several years spent working in advertising art studios as an illustrator. I have been a freelance illustrator for more than 40 years. My experience has not been limited to watching hundreds of TV documentaries and wandering around advertising companies.
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 29, 2020 12:27:59 GMT
The 44th entry to the blog site has just been posted. This one deals with creating covers in limited colors. For instance, just black and white or black and white plus only one or two other colors. There are not only aesthetic reasons for doing this but occasionally practical ones as well.
Over the next few days I am going to start posting problems for readers to try out on their own, inviting them to post the results.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 15:48:08 GMT
Email the images to me and I will post them.Thanks Ron I'll go upstairs to my computer tomorrow and send you a couple of grey scale covers. (I hope I remember, my memory isn't what it used to be. ) I have them stored on my computer and not my Chromebook.
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 29, 2020 15:55:09 GMT
Email the images to me and I will post them.Thanks Ron I'll go upstairs to my computer tomorrow and send you a couple of grey scale covers. (I hope I remember, my memory isn't what it used to be. ) I have them stored on my computer and not my Chromebook. Send me both the color and gray scale versions if you don't mind. Thanks!
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 30, 2020 3:25:17 GMT
Let's see. I had two art teachers in primary school. Three in secondary (around the time I had two paintings in the Tate). I think there was around six in art college. Not one mentioned such techniques (although it would have been messy in the ceramics section). Ditto with a mate of mines advertising design company, one of the largest in Manchester, when I used to wander around it. The above says it all really. " It's not something one necessarily does with every single work. It's just a technique to apply when needed." Perhaps experienced artists don't need to? And teachers know if their pupils need to? What sort of art college did you attend that afforded you only six instructors the entire time you were there? Or did you not attend very long? What a strange thing to say, but, er, one in the UK within our strapped for cash education system. That's just for art of course.My college was a four-year degree school. The first year consisted of foundation courses Gosh, I had already done that before I went to college. and was required regardless of what a student's planned major was to be (my first year at the school was on a scholarship). When I wus a lad colleges that did art were few and far between, especially in deepest Derbyshire, and each area had its own education budget and wotnot, and I had to go to one in another area (a round trip of 30 miles a day on the bus, paid for by my dad) so there was no grant from the two areas. Fortunately I got a place on merit so that was free, but personal equipment was not, not even paper, again paid for by my dad, and often stolen. To be honest I told my so-called careers advisor I wished to go to London to learn how to design and style cars. He said, people like you don't go to such places, there's a vacancy for an apprentice painter and decorator, or brushing up at Ferodo's, where my dad and almost every other dad worked! I majored in Illustration and minored in Advertising. I graduated with a BFA. Going back over my old yearbook I see that I had more than a dozen different instructors. That's nice for you, but this is the UK. A lad I went to school with, his dad was head of art at Manch. University. He did not have a staff of a dozen! They like to get value for money and employ people who can teach from foundation up to Bed. The courses included in my major ranged from figure drawing, graphics and 2-dimensional design to typography, studio painting and photography, among many others. Gosh did you not do that at school? This was followed by several years spent working in advertising art studios as an illustrator. I have been a freelance illustrator for more than 40 years. My experience has not been limited to watching hundreds of TV documentaries and wandering around advertising companies. Well I am only trying to give you 100s of examples of well-known artists at work that anyone could have seen, even you. I am surprised you never watch them work on TV or youtube etc., This is 2020 after all. Oh, and don't be insulting Ron. I don't boast about what I have done personally, so don't assume that I have not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 4:33:58 GMT
O dear!!
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Aug 30, 2020 12:53:48 GMT
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 13:10:17 GMT
What sort of art college did you attend that afforded you only six instructors the entire time you were there? Or did you not attend very long? What a strange thing to say, but, er, one in the UK within our strapped for cash education system. That's just for art of course.My college was a four-year degree school. The first year consisted of foundation courses Gosh, I had already done that before I went to college. and was required regardless of what a student's planned major was to be (my first year at the school was on a scholarship). When I wus a lad colleges that did art were few and far between, especially in deepest Derbyshire, and each area had its own education budget and wotnot, and I had to go to one in another area (a round trip of 30 miles a day on the bus, paid for by my dad) so there was no grant from the two areas. Fortunately I got a place on merit so that was free, but personal equipment was not, not even paper, again paid for by my dad, and often stolen. To be honest I told my so-called careers advisor I wished to go to London to learn how to design and style cars. He said, people like you don't go to such places, there's a vacancy for an apprentice painter and decorator, or brushing up at Ferodo's, where my dad and almost every other dad worked! I majored in Illustration and minored in Advertising. I graduated with a BFA. Going back over my old yearbook I see that I had more than a dozen different instructors. That's nice for you, but this is the UK. A lad I went to school with, his dad was head of art at Manch. University. He did not have a staff of a dozen! They like to get value for money and employ people who can teach from foundation up to Bed. The courses included in my major ranged from figure drawing, graphics and 2-dimensional design to typography, studio painting and photography, among many others. Gosh did you not do that at school? This was followed by several years spent working in advertising art studios as an illustrator. I have been a freelance illustrator for more than 40 years. My experience has not been limited to watching hundreds of TV documentaries and wandering around advertising companies. Well I am only trying to give you 100s of examples of well-known artists at work that anyone could have seen, even you. I am surprised you never watch them work on TV or youtube etc., This is 2020 after all. Oh, and don't be insulting Ron. I don't boast about what I have done personally, so don't assume that I have not. If YouTube is what you want, YouTube is what you get youtu.be/DCe8Yonu4cEyoutu.be/Wc-6LRG_rIM
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 13:59:59 GMT
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 14:28:49 GMT
The next several installments in the blog are dealing with series books.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:24:22 GMT
Indeed. I will not get in to a dick waving contest. I don't want carpel tunnel syndrome again.
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 1, 2020 12:15:31 GMT
...and I need both hands to type.
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 1, 2020 14:46:23 GMT
Larika was kind enough to try out the test of converting one of her covers to gray scale as a test to check value contrasts, just as the artist did in this video youtu.be/DCe8Yonu4cE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 15:47:11 GMT
Thanks Ron, I tried all my covers with the grey scale test. I do think this is a useful thing to do. Also Ron was kind enough to make a few alterations which he sent to me. ( He made my illustration larger, the green background darker and used a contrasting colour (yellow) for the text). The cover is definitely better.
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