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Post by sirram on Sept 2, 2020 17:24:40 GMT
Yes potet - but I don't think that "training" is going on any more. It is interesting that modern TV is often incomprehensible (mumbling actors and actresses with over-loud background music making things worse). The blame is often put on the listener's hearing or the poor-quality of TV speakers. Yet, after giving up on numerous modern mumbling TV productions, I can quickly flip over to an old film channel and hear everything perfectly well.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 3, 2020 0:21:34 GMT
One problem as you get older is the loss of hearing certain frequencies. Perhaps some people who appear to not end their words, or seem to not pronounce them clearly, may be doing, we just don't hear them? This is the reason why professional stage actors and actresses are trained to be audible by audiences of all ages. How?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 3, 2020 0:23:49 GMT
Yes potet - but I don't think that "training" is going on any more. It is interesting that modern TV is often incomprehensible (mumbling actors and actresses with over-loud background music making things worse). The blame is often put on the listener's hearing or the poor-quality of TV speakers. Yet, after giving up on numerous modern mumbling TV productions, I can quickly flip over to an old film channel and hear everything perfectly well. Which TV progs do you mean? I am old, I am also deaf in one ear, but I don't notice such problems.
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Post by sirram on Sept 3, 2020 6:31:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 7:40:06 GMT
Yes potet - but I don't think that "training" is going on any more. It is interesting that modern TV is often incomprehensible (mumbling actors and actresses with over-loud background music making things worse). The blame is often put on the listener's hearing or the poor-quality of TV speakers. Yet, after giving up on numerous modern mumbling TV productions, I can quickly flip over to an old film channel and hear everything perfectly well. Like Kevin, my husband is deaf in one ear and he is always complaining about the mumbling actors (both sexes ) and the poor quality of TV speakers.
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Post by potet on Sept 3, 2020 11:54:35 GMT
I suppose some believe that if they speak English clearly instead of like old lags on the run they will sound aged, hence unsexy.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 3, 2020 22:47:34 GMT
Interesting, but that is just a tiny sample of progs ( of a type I never watch anyway) of the 1000s available. But they way you described TV is that everyone mumbles, and they don't.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 3, 2020 22:57:00 GMT
Yes potet - but I don't think that "training" is going on any more. It is interesting that modern TV is often incomprehensible (mumbling actors and actresses with over-loud background music making things worse). The blame is often put on the listener's hearing or the poor-quality of TV speakers. Yet, after giving up on numerous modern mumbling TV productions, I can quickly flip over to an old film channel and hear everything perfectly well. Like Kevin, my husband is deaf in one ear and he is always complaining about the mumbling actors (both sexes ) and the poor quality of TV speakers. Hrmm. I have never had a problem with TV speakers. Perhaps it depends on the quality and the brand? Or even resetting the defaults to something you like? But if I want extra base (for music and films) my TV is plugged in to a 300 watt soundbar
As to being deaf in one ear. I am not 100% deaf in it (but may as well be). All I can hear via my left ear is very low frequencies. Which can sound like distant mumbling. I had a hearing aid made and tuned for me, but it was soon discarded because it turned speech in to sounding like a flock of budgies. Nowadays I forget about it, but I do have to remind people to walk on my right if they insist on talking low. It can be a hindrance in cars because we drive on the right, so with the noise of the road etc, and often radio, I often have to keep reminding my passenger to SPEAK UP!
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Post by sirram on Sept 6, 2020 17:59:01 GMT
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Post by BlueAndGold on Sept 6, 2020 18:30:13 GMT
There are a number of fundamental differences in the two samples. In the first we have calm conversation. In the second we have action going on with violent incidental music in the background. I think you are comparing apples to oranges.
Also, the first clip is recorded with 1971-era equipment wherein the sound reproduction equipment pretty much bell-curves centered on the human speech frequencies without much bass to muddle things. The second clip reproduces a wider audio spectrum including bass tones that tend to roll without high-fidelity reproduction.
With all that said, though, I agree that in much acting these days, people do not project their voices as well. I have been to live theater in recent years where they MUST, but in movies and television, maybe not so much.
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Post by sirram on Sept 6, 2020 19:26:05 GMT
I accept your scientific interpretation but, as a viewer, the modern sound is rubbish. You may reasonably (with these two particular clips) suggest that apples are being compared with pears, but I guarantee the modern version fails each and every time. As a fan, I have tried to watch the remakes but I can never work out what they are all mumbling about.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Sept 6, 2020 19:33:21 GMT
Yeah, you can't beat Jack Lord's haircut.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 7, 2020 0:59:12 GMT
You still puzzle me. I just watched that clip of the remake and the speech is perfectly legible. Granted it's not 'perfect' English (but neither are they) but it's still understandable. Can I suggest you get your ears tested?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 7, 2020 1:13:14 GMT
There are a number of fundamental differences in the two samples. In the first we have calm conversation. In the second we have action going on with violent incidental music in the background. I think you are comparing apples to oranges. And a lot of bass, due to what's going on, as you say.Also, the first clip is recorded with 1971-era equipment wherein the sound reproduction equipment pretty much bell-curves centered on the human speech frequencies without much bass to muddle things. Indeed. At one time TVs only had a volume control and nothing else, and often just one speaker! And that's not actually all that long ago. The second clip reproduces a wider audio spectrum including bass tones that tend to roll without high-fidelity reproduction. Indeed, part two. It could be some type of Dolby and even 5.1 or even 7.1 sound rather that just 2 or 2.1. (Denoting the number of channels the sound is recorded in and can be split in to on modern TVs. (And PCs) depending on, well, often the cost of the device). The options on modern TVs can be vast, they just have to be fiddled with.With all that said, though, I agree that in much acting these days, people do not project their voices as well. I have been to live theater in recent years where they MUST, but in movies and television, maybe not so much. Has that not always been the case with TV and film for decades? It's yonks ago since all actors spoke in clear English, often because they were originally from the stage. Then again www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=346&v=gbDmrI9kjxs&feature=emb_logo
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 4:32:24 GMT
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