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Post by Charley Farley on Aug 29, 2020 10:20:40 GMT
linkAnyone used this before ? It seems to be software which can help with writing style, and create print ready pdf`s or ebooks. I`m loathe to download more stuff on my PC but it might be of use to someone (there is a free download).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 12:13:16 GMT
linkAnyone used this before ? It seems to be software which can help with writing style, and create print ready pdf`s or ebooks. I`m loathe to download more stuff on my PC but it might be of use to someone (there is a free download). It looks very interesting, I've bookmarked it. Thanks Charley.
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Post by benziger on Aug 29, 2020 13:06:44 GMT
In the payment version it has some really interesting functions. But are they worth $180 per year? At least for people who write for fun, in their spare time? That would have to be judged by someone who has already used Papyrus.
I saw versions for Macintosh and Windows, but not for Linux.
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 29, 2020 18:58:15 GMT
I dunno. A lot of the features look great but I have zero faith in automatic "editors." I mean, grammar checkers are bad enough but Author Style Analysis and Readabiity Evaluation? Really now...
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 30, 2020 2:05:07 GMT
I dunno. A lot of the features look great but I have zero faith in automatic "editors." I mean, grammar checkers are bad enough but Author Style Analysis and Readabiity Evaluation? Really now... Indeed, one may as well have a robot write it. I use Word and the only checker I have turned on is Spelling, for typos, but only to highlight them, not to auto-correct them, because it can be wrong (there, their, etc). That Grammarly thing seems to be on a mass marketing drive right now. Makes you wonder why schools bother. www.grammarly.com/
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 12:35:18 GMT
I dunno. A lot of the features look great but I have zero faith in automatic "editors." I mean, grammar checkers are bad enough but Author Style Analysis and Readabiity Evaluation? Really now... Indeed, one may as well have a robot write it. I use Word and the only checker I have turned on is Spelling, for typos, but only to highlight them, not to auto-correct them, because it can be wrong (there, their, etc). That Grammarly thing seems to be on a mass marketing drive right now. Makes you wonder why schools bother. www.grammarly.com/
I could hardly agree with you more!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 14:10:18 GMT
You guys are good writers, I'll accept anything that is trying to make my writing better. Maybe it won't work but there's no harm in trying.
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 14:28:14 GMT
A live, objective reader would stand you in better stead.
If you want to try the software, at least try a free version.
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Post by benziger on Aug 30, 2020 16:00:39 GMT
You guys are good writers, I'll accept anything that is trying to make my writing better. Maybe it won't work but there's no harm in trying. It is unlikely to be harmful. Especially if you use it, like And Kevin 2024 the spell checker: as an indicator to look at something again, to check, to rethink. However, your group of authors will probably be more helpful in getting you ahead.
It won't hurt, but it may take a lot of time to get used to it; time in which you could read other books by good authors (from your collection or the local library), which will help you get ahead again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 16:14:53 GMT
It would be interesting to to feed this software some of the more original works and see what it decided about their style, readability, layout etc. I volunteer James Joyce's Ulysses, Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow and for spelling the Willans and Searle Molesworth books such as Down with Skool (as any fule kno.)
Best not to give it Catch 22 though, Major Major Major Major is likely to drive it to apoplexy!
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 30, 2020 16:31:44 GMT
It would be interesting to to feed this software some of the more original works and see what it decided about their style, readability, layout etc. I volunteer James Joyce's Ulysses, Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow and for spelling the Willans and Searle Molesworth books such as Down with Skool (as any fule kno.) Best not to give it Catch 22 though, Major Major Major Major is likely to drive it to apoplexy! I agree with this completely. Trying to shoehorn every possible way of writing into a single set of rules isn't going to work. One of the great beauties of the English language is its flexibility. All that a program like Papyrus can do is try to get everyone to write exactly alike. It's a little like those authors who will publish the rules by which they write by...the only result of that is your writing sounding just like theirs. PUKON, the MASTER MIND , has spoken.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:06:18 GMT
You guys are good writers, I'll accept anything that is trying to make my writing better. Maybe it won't work but there's no harm in trying. Such tools could have the effect of everyone using the same style, and how boring would that be? It is a puzzle why such tools are on the market though. Good old Word has had such tools built in for years.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:11:05 GMT
You guys are good writers, I'll accept anything that is trying to make my writing better. Maybe it won't work but there's no harm in trying. It is unlikely to be harmful. Especially if you use it, like And Kevin 2024 the spell checker: as an indicator to look at something again, to check, to rethink. However, your group of authors will probably be more helpful in getting you ahead.
It won't hurt, but it may take a lot of time to get used to it; time in which you could read other books by good authors (from your collection or the local library), which will help you get ahead again. Indeed. These tools are not writing for you are they? They are just checking to see if the works are 'proper', and surely people should try to learn that? to the differing degrees of what is considered to be 'proper'.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:15:06 GMT
It would be interesting to to feed this software some of the more original works and see what it decided about their style, readability, layout etc. I volunteer James Joyce's Ulysses, Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow and for spelling the Willans and Searle Molesworth books such as Down with Skool (as any fule kno.) Best not to give it Catch 22 though, Major Major Major Major is likely to drive it to apoplexy! And what on Earth would they make of Shakespeare?
BTB. Because the UK has been occupied so often by invading foreigners in the distant past so often, each naming things in their own language, there's actually a river that translates to River River River.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:21:11 GMT
It would be interesting to to feed this software some of the more original works and see what it decided about their style, readability, layout etc. I volunteer James Joyce's Ulysses, Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood, Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow and for spelling the Willans and Searle Molesworth books such as Down with Skool (as any fule kno.) Best not to give it Catch 22 though, Major Major Major Major is likely to drive it to apoplexy! I agree with this completely. Trying to shoehorn every possible way of writing into a single set of rules isn't going to work. One of the great beauties of the English language is its flexibility. All that a program like Papyrus can do is try to get everyone to write exactly alike. It's a little like those authors who will publish the rules by which they write by...the only result of that is your writing sounding just like theirs. PUKON, the MASTER MIND , has spoken. There are some top selling, and very prolific writers ( a novel a month it often seems!) and after reading many from one such writer, I started to come to the conclusion he used Find and Replace a lot. (Names, places, stuff like that). There was a chap who wrote for Mills & Boon. he wrote a novel a week! On being interviewed at a ripe old age he admitted that often all he did was change names and places. Exact same plots, for everything from a cowboy story to a romantic bodice ripper.
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