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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 21:02:25 GMT
That's true. Even in my source, a whole lot of people got killed. Even one God. Rereading Acts. A good story, with a whole bunch of killing. That Herod guy...
Did you know that probably every single horror movie came from Revelation? Seriously, that stuff is pure horror. The first time I read it I was afraid of doing anything wrong. I mean, pretty bleak prophecies.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 21, 2020 21:37:51 GMT
I can think of some horror stories that have nothing biblical [Hebraic, any flavor of Christianity, any flavor of Islam, or any flavor from other Middle Eastern faiths descended from the same basic texts].
The basic levels and results of human depravity can be found in the writings of many cultures from many timeframes, as can those who seek glory regardless of consequences to others.
With kids believing what their elders lived, the problem lies in the conflict between them accepting what they know [through experience] and them accepting what they don't see as possible, because it lies outside the knowledge they know personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 22:49:22 GMT
True. Children of the Corn. Lord of the Flies. Not sure the first one is even a book.
Who writes horror, though? I've always wondered how Stephen King gets his ideas. Is the art the artist? Does that then make him a horrific, dark, twisted miserable person like Martin?
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 21, 2020 23:08:39 GMT
I can write horror, but I refuse to since my attempts make Stephen King's look like nursery tales.
The art isn't the artist as much as the ability to 'see' something nobody should. Then again a lot of people like to be scared about something they know can't happen to them, so it does pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 2:18:30 GMT
You're kind of reaffirming my point. You can't write like him, you don't have that dark gene. I'm not even sure I'd want to go there.Now I'm agreeing with your second point.
Anyway, who wants to write about flayed people, and cutting off body parts. Something sick there. Oh, and I wish I hadn't watched Game of Thrones.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 14:21:47 GMT
I can't say I don't have a dark gene, it might be better to say I'm very selective of how it might insert itself into a story. If you see enough gore in real life you likely won't want to relive it in your writing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 17:20:31 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of gore and I tend to avoid it. And the gore I've seen in movies I regret watching. Nasty.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 17:46:29 GMT
I avoid gore when I can, for example I'm really not curious driving past an auto crash site because I've seen enough in the past that can't be unseen.
Then spending some time in old-school farm-type settings growing up, yeah I could write some very nasty horror but I'll pass.
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Post by benziger on Jan 26, 2020 19:12:07 GMT
Larika, I understand that. Little kids being fobbed off with the smartphone. But these is not the children fault. It's their environment, their parents. How many times have I seen a small child on the bus doing what a one-year-old does: slurring his words. And his mother is afraid that this will disturb someone and holds the smartphone in front of his face with a toddler app. Of course we know that the child's brain cannot record any of that yet. Or recently at the music school concert, a first or second grader sat on the floor in front of us and listened. Suddenly the mother from behind hands him the smartphone with a game. Three guesses what he did after that.
I can't speak for my son in a few years. But one thing's for sure, we don't have a phone at the table. And if the landline rings during dinner, we don't answer it (not even after 9 pm), but call back. We do a lot of things in the real world (gardening, hiking, museums, handicrafts, drawing, card and board games, etc.) without excluding the new world completely. Otherwise I could not write here. But the fact that my wife's tablet is called "Radio" shows what its main purpose is. Our boy has had a smartphone for a long time - a piece of wood he found in the forest. This morning he showed me photos from the holidays a year ago on his wooden smartphone. I was impressed by the imagination and the memory.
In short, the new world is not a problem for the children, but for their parents, who cannot cope with it and cannot guide their children. Studies show again and again: Smartphones and gaming are extremely important for many children. Most importantly, however, only when they cannot play outside with friends. In that sense: more water, more sand, more dirt, more trees - and more adults who simply say: no problem, it dries quickly (or: I can wash it). - - - Who writes the next guide for parents? Or educational novel?
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 26, 2020 19:46:11 GMT
My kids get screen time, but also hikes, bubbles, running around the yard, as well as the chance to get where they're going on their terms, i.e.: they've never been in daycare and therefore have never been forced to conform to an adult's idea of who they should be and what they should be doing.
Different societies see different roles for children, some prefer to make them mini-adults who need regimentation in order to perform their jobs in order to prepare for their future jobs. The school bus picks up where we live around 06:15 hrs and drops off around 17:15 hrs, which is a long day for children who may still have homework to do. There is also a problem with human trafficking among other things that is apparently only getting worse.
Kids can adapt to a wide array of situations [some good some bad] if allowed, but they still need time to play and see the often magical wonder of the world they're discovering. Once I can get some terracing done and build up some soil my kids will discover the joy of watching seeds grow into plants. Once I can make them kilts, they'll have an easier time hiking rough terrain.
It's up to parents to choose a paradigm they and their kids can live with.
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Post by benziger on Jan 26, 2020 23:53:45 GMT
It's up to parents to choose a paradigm they and their kids can live with. With us the children fortunately go to school on foot, home for lunch (or for lunch). Right now there is a big campaign going on in our community "cool kids walk", because about 20-30% of the children are driven. But what is also important to me is the promotion of reading and the encouragement of fantasy and imagination. That's why I take my time every evening and sit down at bed, look back and read to them. The great classics of youth literature. My old books. New ones from the library.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 27, 2020 0:03:19 GMT
Distance is a factor here, a bit over 13 miles to the closest school. Reading we do, though not as much as we'd like since the youngest doesn't respect books so much. We have roughly 20 boxes [possibly one or two more or less] of books waiting for bookcases, once the youngest is a bit gentler with them.
I have almost nothing from my youth, life is like that.
Both the girls have imaginations and do the fantasy thing.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 27, 2020 22:00:03 GMT
The above image is from today's first hike of the year. The clear area in the distance is where the car was parked.
The above image is near the end on the trail on a levelish stretch, and the 2-y.-o. hoofed it up and back on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:01:48 GMT
Genetics are strange, my mother and sister went in their 60's but ny father nearly reached 9o and my brother's still going strong. I must be an anomaly 'cos I'm still around!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:09:29 GMT
Larika, I understand that. Little kids being fobbed off with the smartphone. But these is not the children fault.
I agree Benziger. In my day it was the TV. I will always remember my toddler neice just planted for hours in front of the TV. So wrong! Whenever I went over I would play with her. I think that practice of having the TV as a babysitter effected her whole life. However she has made every effort to overcome her early life and is now doing a fine job with her grandchildren. Mind you she married at a very young age.
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