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Post by Rachel on Feb 18, 2021 19:44:21 GMT
Does anyone know what the story is with INGRAM_CORE_SOURCE? That distribution channel was pulling in 82% of my sales and suddenly disappeared (to zero) in Dec. Lulu support tells me that they stopped reporting CORE SOURCE as a channel, and that the volumes should be reported in Amazon and LSI - however those numbers have not changed in Dec or January.
Has anyone else seen this? Has anyone else heard what has happened?
- Rachel Martin
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Post by JesusNinja on Feb 18, 2021 21:25:12 GMT
Yes Lulu got rid of Ingram's core source. They said it would save money for them not paying Ingrams that would make us more money. Not really the case. I sold martial arts books to those off the wall online stores Ingrams distributed too including 24symbol.com and others. Since Lulu changed the site and their distribution my sales have drops close to 90 percent. People making the decisions there aren't making them very well. If we don't make money they aren't going too.
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Post by benziger on Feb 18, 2021 21:43:18 GMT
You can publish directly with IngramSpark. It is not so easy as with Lulu.com - but you can learn it. At the site www.ingramspark.com/resources/tools just follow Guides to get some very helpful PDF guides. For printed books, you have to create PDF following the guidelines, for e-books, you need e-pub. If you publish pictures books, e-pub my be a little bit tricky, text books are doable.
IngramSpark has an one-time upset fee, but it is free with a coupon:
Upload your book for FREE and get FREE revisions (Expires 3/31) 1. Copy this promo code NANO 2. Paste the code when you checkout at IngramSpark
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Post by Rachel Martin on Feb 19, 2021 22:44:20 GMT
Does anyone know if Blurb distributes through Core Source?
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Post by JesusNinja on Feb 20, 2021 0:37:30 GMT
www.blurb.com/ingram This is all I could find on that. It's through Ingram. I think core source is much broader though. What I was told by Lulu support is that they were no longer using Ingrams to distribute our books. They would be listed by Lulu directly. So we are losing many Asian and other online stores.The other thing is that when our books go through Ingrams, people can order them and sell in bookstores or Amazon or EBay. Not sure if they can now. I have found many of my paperbacks selling on EBay. When Lulu dropped coresourse the books disappeared on EBay.
Edit: I just looked again on EBay and these sellers do have my books for sell again.
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Post by Rachel Martin on Feb 25, 2021 10:53:24 GMT
I just got this note from Lulu support. What I get from this is that there IS a problem with the reporting of ebook sales. Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong:
Hello Rachel,
I can confirm we are still distributing via the Ingram network. We no longer use Ingram Core Source, rather we now work directly with each channel. This is why the channel name for each sale is now different.
That being said, our Finance team is still working on adding ebook sales to our authors' accounts. At this moment, I unfortunately do not have an ETA; however, I will leave this case open until the sales are posted. Thank you once again for your time and your trust.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Feb 25, 2021 13:09:30 GMT
Thank you Rachel!
I certainly hope that also means that they have the data for the missing sales of the past few months and the respective authors will be credited accordingly.
Getting the money right is job ONE, some would argue.
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Post by JesusNinja on Feb 26, 2021 20:13:26 GMT
I just got this note from Lulu support. What I get from this is that there IS a problem with the reporting of ebook sales. Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong: Hello Rachel, I can confirm we are still distributing via the Ingram network. We no longer use Ingram Core Source, rather we now work directly with each channel. This is why the channel name for each sale is now different. That being said, our Finance team is still working on adding ebook sales to our authors' accounts. At this moment, I unfortunately do not have an ETA; however, I will leave this case open until the sales are posted. Thank you once again for your time and your trust. That is what I see as well. They are still trying to get all the missing sales accounted for. Lulu working directly with each channel is probably why it's taking so long to get things listed. And why books are missing.
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Post by Rachel Martin on Apr 18, 2021 15:22:51 GMT
An update: Lulu has fixed SOME of the problem and money from Dec is starting to flow in. They wanted to close my ticket. However, the problem is, from my analysis, they're still not yet getting ALL of the sources they used to.
I compared my month by month revenue against the same month's average over the past 3 years. From Jan to Nov of 2020 (before the change), my 2020 monthly numbers were up an average of 39% compared to the prior 3 years average of the same month.
However, starting in Dec of 2020 (the change month) and continuing to present day - even with the money now flowing - my revenue is down an average of 39%! It can't be coincidence that the trend over 4 years happened to change in the month Lulu started changing their distribution strategy.
Lulu needs to step up and own this problem. They need to tell us that they acknowledge the problem, that it isn't fully resolved yet, and when they expect it to be fully resolved. Even if they told us that they aren't sure when it will all be migrated over and we will have all of the money due us, it would be comforting to hear that they acknowledge that the situation is only partially addressed and that they will continue to work on it until it's fully resolved.
And the analysis that I'm doing isn't rocket science. It's based solely off the extract that Lulu provides. Therefore, it is fully within Lulu's capabilities to do this analysis themselves. The sniff test, particularly across all of their author base, would easily prove out that something is still outstanding. How can we apply pressure to have them do this?
- Rachel
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Post by JesusNinja on Apr 18, 2021 18:25:57 GMT
Yes Lulu removed Ingram Source as a distributor.Supposedly to save money. I was told that they would distribute our books themselves to various outlets. This has caused huge problems with my books. Many disappeared from many sites and still are missing after six months. One simple book is still missing from Amazon and Apple after repeatedly contacting support. It's been three months now. With the missing books my income dropped over the last six months or so to a lousy $15 average.All of this started happening the same months of the update.
So I can confirm your fears. As of yet I've not received a single apology or admittance of guilt from Lulu. Only the genetic "sorry for any inconvenience this has caused." I've told them the site update and distribution changed has caused me to lose an average of $100 or more a month. Yesterday's payment from Lulu did reflect at least 10 sales from at least a year ago. I received two payments yesterday. Apparently one small one for sales and a large one for catching up. So yes since the change in distribution we are not getting many of the sites we used to get.What is strange even with the two payments yesterday, my account is still showing over $200 of unpaid sales. What is strange is the smaller check I got yesterday according to the report was for one book that sold 10 copies. But I know other books sold too.
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Post by Rachel Martin on Apr 27, 2021 21:09:56 GMT
I have, yet another update. This one is far more bothersome than the others.
Basically, they are telling me that they have done an analysis as to how the change in their distribution has effected their authors revenues - and will not disclose the findings. Their exact words are:
"Thank you once again for your question and your feedback. Please note that our Finance Team has indeed reviewed sales data and if we've seen a decrease or not in sales, is not information we would share with our authors."
Personally, even after they have "fixed" the problem to their satisfaction, my sales are down 39%. However, my sales in all the channels that still exist from before their change are either flat or up. This means that the distribution channels they have chosen to use to replace coresource distribution do not equal those served by coresource - and that by switching away from coresource to individual distributors, they have shortened the reach of our books - and have accepted a drop in sales as "acceptable".
As I see it, we have 3 choices: Accept their answer and live with reduced revenue, take our work elsewhere, or take legal action to force Lulu to disclose the nature of the issue and what they're going to do about it.
Thoughts?
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 27, 2021 22:25:04 GMT
I have, yet another update. This one is far more bothersome than the others. Basically, they are telling me that they have done an analysis as to how the change in their distribution has effected their authors revenues - and will not disclose the findings. Their exact words are: "Thank you once again for your question and your feedback. Please note that our Finance Team has indeed reviewed sales data and if we've seen a decrease or not in sales, is not information we would share with our authors." Personally, even after they have "fixed" the problem to their satisfaction, my sales are down 39%. However, my sales in all the channels that still exist from before their change are either flat or up. This means that the distribution channels they have chosen to use to replace coresource distribution do not equal those served by coresource - and that by switching away from coresource to individual distributors, they have shortened the reach of our books - and have accepted a drop in sales as "acceptable". As I see it, we have 3 choices: Accept their answer and live with reduced revenue, take our work elsewhere, or take legal action to force Lulu to disclose the nature of the issue and what they're going to do about it. Thoughts? Actually due to the Lulu Press user's agreement there are two basically two choices available; live with reduced revenue or take your work elsewhere. Part of the agreement mentions holding Lulu Press blameless, even if the company's action have cost you revenue.
Suing a company Lulu Press to force it to disclose information would also likely prove prohibitively expensive for people who don't have lots of spare cash, because attorneys are likely to want a nice retainer before taking an uphill battle case.
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Post by Rachel Martin on Apr 28, 2021 10:16:57 GMT
"Part of the agreement mentions holding Lulu Press blameless, even if the company's action have cost you revenue."
I certainly don't remember seeing THAT! I wonder how many other authors realize that they agreed to such a thing. I wonder how many would choose Lulu if they actually recognized that this is not only the policy, but that it's being utilized in real life.
I'm also quite certain it wouldn't hold up under actual scrutiny.
Anyway - I'm not a litigious person in general, but I'm not against discussing this in social media circles, BBB, Yelp, Google Reviews, etc. If for nothing more than to alert potential authors of the nature of the agreement. Better that others go in open-eyed.
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Post by benziger on Apr 28, 2021 12:44:03 GMT
Talking about it publicly, informing others, advising, even warning: that's what we do here. In relation to Lulu, this is a bit difficult, because I think Lulu's marketing machinery (videos, facebook posts, etc.) is very efficient and optimally geared towards search engines. You wrote above about a possible lawsuit. I don't know where you live and what the going rate is. In my country, I would have to pay a lawyer 300$ per hour. Only if I clearly win the case will the court order the opponent to reimburse me for my legal fees. However, I have heard that in other places there are lawyers who sue at their own risk and get a percentage of the "profit" from the injured party (in this case, e.g. xx% of the amount you will get). There is also the possibility in certain countries to join forces and file a class action, which spreads the risk over several shoulders. Where I live there is nothing like that.
It is worth (1) reading the small print, (2) keeping your options in mind and (3) weighing up carefully. [This is neither a legal advice nor a recommendation.]
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 28, 2021 12:59:10 GMT
Aye, it's the fine print most people don't read that tends to cause problems. [While I'm not an attorney, I did read the agreement; it was tedious.]
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