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Post by ronmiller on Feb 3, 2020 20:11:47 GMT
Well put, S-C!
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 3, 2020 20:26:59 GMT
I might not have gotten a PhD the way my brothers did, but life has given me plenty of time in days gone by to read and ponder what I'd read.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 20:53:41 GMT
Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Cameron.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 3, 2020 21:23:48 GMT
Maggie,
Thank you for the interaction. The last church I attended was Unitarian Universalist, which welcomes people of all faiths or no faith. If you were to go to one of their services and asked 10 people what constitutes the one true faith you'd get at least seventy different answers all geared to help you find your own best answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 8:46:52 GMT
That may itself be reflecting a prejudice. I am an agnostic
Ron, I too am an agnostic. We hold the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. I think our agnosticism allows us to keep very open minds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:40:18 GMT
To me a good review of my work covers everything good, bad, and ugly if ugly's there -- I expect nothing less because whatever work I may be doing at any one time the only way I can correct any deficiencies is by knowing what, if anything, might have gone wrong. In my experience objective honesty is rarely cruel, trusowever helpful honesty in reviews are essential. t me I have seen cruel.
Objective honesty is rarely cruel and could even be helpful. I try to be objective and honest in my reviews and as you said Sphinx-Cameron that is never cruel. When I look at a painting I point out what I like about the art whether it is the colour or the design. However I may not particularly like the entire painting but I would never be cruel and blast it. I am not the greatest fan of Tracy Emin but I feel some of the disgraceful comments that were made of her were really cruel. I feel the same about all creative processes whether they are paintings or books. However honesty in reviews is essential laced with the good points of the book, painting etc.
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Post by ronmiller on Feb 9, 2020 12:33:46 GMT
To me a good review of my work covers everything good, bad, and ugly if ugly's there -- I expect nothing less because whatever work I may be doing at any one time the only way I can correct any deficiencies is by knowing what, if anything, might have gone wrong. In my experience objective honesty is rarely cruel, trusowever helpful honesty in reviews are essential. t me I have seen cruel.Objective honesty is rarely cruel and could even be helpful. I try to be objective and honest in my reviews and as you said Sphinx-Cameron that is never cruel. When I look at a painting I point out what I like about the art whether it is the colour or the design. However I may not particularly like the entire painting but I would never be cruel and blast it. I am not the greatest fan of Tracy Emin but I feel some of the disgraceful comments that were made of her were really cruel. I feel the same about all creative processes whether they are paintings or books. However honesty in reviews is essential. Criticism should always be courteous. There is no point whatsoever in being rude, cruel or clever simply for the sake of turning a smart phrase. As you say, there is nothing cruel in honesty---though no one likes to hear that their work was disliked---so long as the honesty is tempered with empathy. As I mentioned before, no work is so worthless or hopeless as to not have some redeeming quality and I always try to start off a review by ferreting out that quality and mentioning it. That helps soften the blow that might be coming. Any criticism also needs to include an explanation or, frankly, it is worthless. Simply saying, "I don't like that painting" or "I didn't like that book" contributes nothing unless one explains why these things were disliked. When someone comes up to me and says, "I really don't care for that painting you did" but can't tell me what it was they found objectionable they may as well have kept quiet and said nothing since neither I nor anyone listening in learned a thing.
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Post by benziger on Feb 9, 2020 21:58:36 GMT
We hold the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. I think our agnosticism allows us to keep very open minds. In the (Catholic) global church, the Germans are regarded as relatively liberal. The Diaspora Catholics of German-speaking Switzerland are already considered reformed (Protestant) from the German point of view. So it is not surprising that there are different points where the majority of the people here believe something different than the doctrine from Rome... (That to understand where I growed up and where I live.) I experience my environment among believers and Angnostics as very open. Much less open are some anti-believers who feel they have to prove that there is no God. There are things you can know (The existence of God does not belong to the canon of knowledge for me). Others we can believe. A certain openness towards one's fellow human beings, their culture, their views, makes living together easier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 4:57:09 GMT
A certain openness towards one's fellow human beings, their culture, their views, makes living together easier.
Well said Benziger.
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