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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 12:24:30 GMT
I think everyone should be aware of this. It's very worrying but important to know, as non Chinese are leaving China and being flown home. Several British Nationals have been flown to the UK.
"Current situation Coronavirus.
15,000 worldwide affected
260 deaths
Concern -> virus changes (NB: There are different strains of coronavirus, some have been around for some time) ….->
Antigenic Shift
In very serious cases antigenic shift occurs. This is a sudden and major change in the surface antigens of a virus. Antigenic shift occurs when two different strains of influenza virus simultaneously infect the same cell in your body and undergo a process called genetic reassortment. This is a process whereby two viruses mix and match parts of their genome.
China is in lock down (no flights out) and had not let the World Health Org know at the time - hence the problem now
The above information has just been sent to me. It's very worrying but important to know."
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Post by benziger on Feb 2, 2020 13:43:32 GMT
sent to you by whom? I'm not a medical doctor or a virus specialist. My wife works in health care and has some knowledge on Ebola, but not on the Corona. The Neue Zürcher Zeitung, which is one of the leading European quality newspapers (along with Le Monde, The Times (of London), Frankfurter Allgemeine, and several others) wrote the day before yesterday: "With the daily news about the spread of the disease and the increasing number of deaths, users are consciously and unconsciously spreading false reports and crude theories about the virus. We have compiled some of the most widely shared fake news." The article [1] ends: "Users distribute photos and videos that are taken out of context and share made-up claims, (...) But China's state media have also distributed a picture of an alleged hospital that turned out to be false. The big tech companies Facebook, Google and Twitter are currently facing the challenge of stopping the spread of fake news". I'm not saying that your information is part of it. I'm just very careful. For me, this also includes the assessment of the source. Unfortunately, you do not state a source. [1] www.nzz.ch/digital/wie-sich-fake-news-ueber-den-coronavirus-in-social-media-verbreiten-ld.1536707Addendum: According to the NZZ cited above: Lufthansa and Swiss International Airlines have suspended flights from China. German and Swiss people are now simply flown out with Chinese airlines!? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 13:53:17 GMT
They have said that about so many viruses over the years. Swine Flu, Anthrax and multiple others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 13:54:57 GMT
It was sent to me by my neice who is a doctor.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 2, 2020 14:56:17 GMT
Not being a medical doctor, virologist, epidemiologist [my oldest brother retired from that, after working on different diseases], or having the highest wattage bulb in the socket, consider a couple things. People in the PRC live in fairly crowded conditions compared to say the US, Australia, and so on. The virus is worse than SARS or MERS in that is has shown the ability to be transmissible while a patient is asymptomatic, as in the patient isn't apparently sick yet. It also hasn't shown a high mortality rate yet, with perhaps 2% of those infected dying, and many of those had other medical issues going on.
For now it's a waiting game to see how it develops.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 2, 2020 21:51:05 GMT
Larika,
On the Corona virus using population stats from 2013 I have for a book [oddly enough about an engineered viral contagion that in all probability will likely never get published], the current death toll is 0.0000042% of the global population. In my book, from a global population at the time of 7,072,793,083, there were 6,931,337,221.34 dead, and 141,455,861.66 survivors for a mortality or kill rate of 98%. The number of people least affected by the fictional virus was 16,974,703.
During the Swine Flu epidemic of 1918 my paternal grandparents took care of sick neighbors and helped bury those who died. When they took ill, their neighbors took care of them. The differences between epidemics in 1918 and 2020 are enormous. Common minor illnesses of today were often deadly 100 years ago. With that epidemic, the death toll of roughly 50,000,000 was only about 2.6% of the global population.
It's all a matter of perspective, which is not something the hyperactive news of today encourages. On a nod to the odd note, internet searches on the 'Corona Beer Virus' are trending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 21:56:17 GMT
I had a thought today: Suppose a really dumb, egotistical president somehow sent the virus to China on purpose to debilitate their economy so that no one would want to base their company there, nor order their products, etc. etc.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 2, 2020 22:06:59 GMT
I had a thought today: Suppose a really dumb, egotistical president somehow sent the virus to China on purpose to debilitate their economy so that no one would want to base their company there, nor order their products, etc. etc. Not likely as the lead time to develop such a virus in a lab would be several years, plus there is no containing something like that once it hits the general population. This particular virus is pretty much par for nature.
Then again, I'm not a doctor and so on and so forth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 2:53:45 GMT
Ok, but it's really convenient.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 4:42:48 GMT
I'm debating as to whether to vote in the US General election. I have dual nationality so can vote in the US and the UK. However over here we are constantly being bombarded with "brexit", so much so that I'm thinking of keeping right away from it all.I'm so glad my husband is out of the political arena. Anyway as far as the virus goes I'm thinking of getting a mask. I'll walk around like Michael Jackson with my face half covered. Then again maybe I'll be labelled "Wacko Keimacko".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 11:31:55 GMT
My goodness Maggie now there's a person you don't care for!!I'm debating as to whether to vote in the US General election. I have dual nationality so can vote in the US and the UK. However over here we are constantly being bombarded with "brexit", so much so that I'm thinking of keeping right away from it all.I'm so glad my husband is out of the political arena. Anyway as far as the virus goes I'm thinking of getting a mask. I'll walk around like Michael Jackson with my face half covered. Then again maybe I'll be labelled "Wacko Keimacko". Larika, you have a sense of humour.
As for me, I'm a writer; I imagine all kinds of scenarios.
Cameron, I think it people take the time to manufacture big weapons that could wipe out the world, or one country at a time, they have taken the time to make viruses and store them, in case they are ever needed.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 3, 2020 12:50:15 GMT
My goodness Maggie now there's a person you don't care for!!I'm debating as to whether to vote in the US General election. I have dual nationality so can vote in the US and the UK. However over here we are constantly being bombarded with "brexit", so much so that I'm thinking of keeping right away from it all.I'm so glad my husband is out of the political arena. Anyway as far as the virus goes I'm thinking of getting a mask. I'll walk around like Michael Jackson with my face half covered. Then again maybe I'll be labelled "Wacko Keimacko". Larika, you have a sense of humour.
As for me, I'm a writer; I imagine all kinds of scenarios.
Cameron, I think it people take the time to manufacture big weapons that could wipe out the world, or one country at a time, they have taken the time to make viruses and store them, in case they are ever needed.
Weaponized pathogens aren't needed, unless an intelligent species as a collective has a penchant for suicide.
Nature does a pretty good job of producing pathogens. Consider the cheetah as a species -- the entire population are virtual first cousins due to a pathogen that almost drove them to extinction. As a collective the cheetah is now susceptible as a readily transmissible pathogen that infects and kills one can easily take out the entire species if left unchecked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 15:52:40 GMT
I'm still unsure. Looks like everything is working out for him.
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