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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 11:21:03 GMT
I have a question, in case anyone knows... I do not want to update to Windows 10. I feel I shouldn't be pressured into doing so. Is there any real risk in not updating if I have a virus scanner (McCaffee - paid version) and a VPH (Browsec) and Ghostery and disconnect and uBlock?
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Post by BlueAndGold on Feb 14, 2020 12:03:19 GMT
DICLAIMER: I'M NOT A COMPUTER GURU. OPINION ONLY:
There is no reason at all to down-grade to an operating system you don't like from one you do unless there is a feature of the newer one you want that the older one doesn't provide. Just because the producer stops supporting the older one doesn't mean the older one suddenly breaks. Do you have to buy a new car because the manufacturer made a newer model?
If you have current, compatible safety software running you should be fine. They may have stopped making updates for Win7 but Windows Defender continues to run - and will.
I feel fine continuing with Win7 until this old machine goes the way of all the world.
Win7 was one of their best, once they had it out there a few years. It still works fine. WinXP was never better until after they stopped supporting it! It still works fine. Win98 was never better until they released SE and stopped supporting it. Win95 was always terrible. Win2000 was good and probably still is.
I actually still have a machine running Win 3.1 which I use every week. (Not attached to the internet, of course.) I have a 386 luggable running DOS 6.22 that is as solid as a rock and I use it regularly for non-document/communication purposes.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 19:47:18 GMT
Ohhh...that's so good to know. I even turned off the radio to read your post very carefully.
Ok, so I'm good. What's ip with them forcing you to buy new things all the time. They recommened (Microsoft) I buy a new computer. I love my computer and have perfect software on it.
Huge relief I've spent since the 14th of January panicking that my PC will just permanently shut down.
What is Windows defender? Does everyone have it? Do I have tp download it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 19:48:20 GMT
Super like your post. Only one like allowed.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Feb 15, 2020 2:28:31 GMT
Windows Defender is the Firewall program provided by MS with your operating system. You have it by default. If you have it turned on, it runs in parallel with your other installed virus protection / firewall programs. With Win7, click on the little "up arrow" in the lower right corner of your screen, then click on the little flag icon. A little window will pop up (Action Center) and at the bottom click on "Open Action Center". Now click on the "down arrow" to the far right of "Security". This will show you the options you have which are disabled/enabled. At the top of the list is "Network Firewall" - (Windows Firewall = Windows Defender, I believe). If you look at the bottom left of this window you will see "Windows Update". If you click on this it will give you the opportunity to click on "View Update History". When I click on that, I can see that I have automatically downloaded updates to Windows Defender Antivirus as recently as 2/12/2020. In other words, updates to your default Anti-virus program (Windows Defender) continue regardless that updates to Win7 are terminated as of Jan 14. Life is good, Maggie. Relax!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 10:42:51 GMT
I'm not sure about relaxing, but I'm going to find that defender just now
Thank you, Blue
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 10:45:20 GMT
Ok, it shows updates were done Feb. 13, 2020. I should be good but I'm going to look into it some more.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Feb 15, 2020 13:09:42 GMT
If there is a roof over your head, and you are warm and fed, and there is no tiger stalking up behind you, then you should relax. Life is too short to be uptight about virtual reality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 15:32:53 GMT
I have everything and I am grateful.
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Post by benziger on Feb 19, 2020 12:38:00 GMT
As protection against burglars you may need a new lock or a grille in front of the window and you may have to close the door in the evening, but not buy a new house. Transferring to your computer: Always install all security updates on your system and other programs (from word processing to virus protection). You do not need a new operating system. It just needs new software, more memory, a new, faster computer, etc. Did you want to buy all this new this week? These are sales tricks. First proceed as the experts recommend and then you can add the five points of the non-experts (or at least, what you already did), then you will be on the safe side. Even with an old operating system. (source: Google, 2015) In everyday life perhaps like this: updates, unique passwords, (two-factor authentication probably not possible), strong passwords, password manager, antivirus, no scattering of personal information.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Feb 19, 2020 16:07:29 GMT
I was still on W7 when Update started to nag about updating to W10 for free. I thought it to be too big a leap from 7 to 10, but it insisted on trying to download and install via Update, so I turned Update off, and it remained off for what must have been years. But turning off Update did not seem to stop Defender from updating. I was also not keen on what looked to be a totally new User Interface (which is what Windows is (shortened from Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers, WIMPs, invented by Apple …) W10 a new interface which seemed to be designed for touchscreens and emulating Android quite a lot. Turning Update off seemed to cause no harm, because many updates have pretty meaningless names unless you are well in to Operating Systems under the User Interface. Who knows what they do?! I did also have Zone Alarm and Malwarebytes installed. But last year I built a gaming PC for my son (at a parts and software cost of £2,000!!) which of course I put W10 Home on to because that's what's on sale. Doing that, and his use of it, acquainted me to W10. I was still using my by then tenish year old W7 machine (but do note that I always buy the most powerful PC I can afford and it was £800 back then, sort of 'future proofing' it, but that's never really the case.) Then, just over a year ago, I was offered a five year old very powerful i7 PC for the crazy price of £200. Just the SSD in it was worth more than that! It also had the very expensive W10 Pro on it. It did prove to be a bit problematical. It had a password on it, which I actually saw the seller remove! I had to pay a 'hacker' £25 to remove it. This also sort of reset W10 back to factory settings. So, it started to update from scratch. Until it eventually arrived at one that stopped Windows from loading! Again I had to get OS and motherboard software (the latter is not Windows) to sort it out for £60. They turned Update off, to stop it happening again. But, it seems that W10 turn is back on! and you don't know because is runs in the background and cannot be deactivated or just set to Inform Me Before Downloading in W10, it seems. So when it reached that point again, again it broke. Back to the experts, who fixed it an no cost, because it was the same problem. But, I had realised that Update will come back on and do it all over again. What I discovered, and I don't know if this is only in the Pro version, and almost hidden away settings that appear to allow company owners to set many defaults they don't want employees to mess with. It seems to go beyond the normal Windows Admin. Via that I turned Update off fully. So I suppose the bottom line is. It's not caused any problems by not updating. But do note that many updates are software patches to stop hackers though, but it does seem that my ISP's servers and actual Router stop anything malicious from even reaching my PC. Defender still updates and runs, and never finds anything. Windows Defender and Firewall (a firewall is very important, if in doubt install Zonealarm free) used to be rubbish, but seems not too bad nowadays. I suppose the real bottom line is what you do with your PC. I need a powerful one that can handle large files and high end graphics (I just replaced the graphics card on mine at a price of £200, which is about average.) If all you do it write, search the net and read emails on it, then a low-end cheap one will do, if there still is such a thing as a low end PC! They seem to be all gaming ones now! even and old one will do, or even a cheap Android tablet. But the newer that one is, and the better, the faster it will even process the pages you are writing on. It's as simple as that. Do note that you get what you pay for, and you need to understand the differences to why some PCs cost £500 and some cost £6,000+. Many cheap ones do not have a graphics card, they use a chip on the motherboard and the RAM plugged in to it. A graphics card uses its own chip and RAM, taking the strain off the MB. RAM strips are expensive, but the more there are and thr greater capacity they are, will mean the PC will run faster and handle large files easier. There's also the still expensive Solid State Drives, but they are faster than the old much cheaper Disc Drive ones. This may help www.pcworld.com/article/2411081/what-to-look-for-in-your-new-pc.htmlBut, PCs collect clutter that can slow it down, and it needs to be removed once a week. metadataconsulting.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-to-clear-windows-7-temporary-files.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:10:26 GMT
As protection against burglars you may need a new lock or a grille in front of the window and you may have to close the door in the evening, but not buy a new house. Transferring to your computer: Always install all security updates on your system and other programs (from word processing to virus protection). You do not need a new operating system. It just needs new software, more memory, a new, faster computer, etc. Did you want to buy all this new this week? These are sales tricks. First proceed as the experts recommend and then you can add the five points of the non-experts (or at least, what you already did), then you will be on the safe side. Even with an old operating system. (source: Google, 2015) In everyday life perhaps like this: updates, unique passwords, (two-factor authentication probably not possible), strong passwords, password manager, antivirus, no scattering of personal information. Benziger, Thank you. Have been ignoring software updates. Going to update.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:15:12 GMT
I was still on W7 when Update started to nag about updating to W10 for free. I thought it to be too big a leap from 7 to 10, but it insisted on trying to download and install via Update, so I turned Update off, and it remained off for what must have been years. But turning off Update did not seem to stop Defender from updating. I was also not keen on what looked to be a totally new User Interface (which is what Windows is (shortened from Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers, WIMPs, invented by Apple …) W10 a new interface which seemed to be designed for touchscreens and emulating Android quite a lot. Turning Update off seemed to cause no harm, because many updates have pretty meaningless names unless you are well in to Operating Systems under the User Interface. Who knows what they do?! I did also have Zone Alarm and Malwarebytes installed. But last year I built a gaming PC for my son (at a parts and software cost of £2,000!!) which of course I put W10 Home on to because that's what's on sale. Doing that, and his use of it, acquainted me to W10. I was still using my by then tenish year old W7 machine (but do note that I always buy the most powerful PC I can afford and it was £800 back then, sort of 'future proofing' it, but that's never really the case.) Then, just over a year ago, I was offered a five year old very powerful i7 PC for the crazy price of £200. Just the SSD in it was worth more than that! It also had the very expensive W10 Pro on it. It did prove to be a bit problematical. It had a password on it, which I actually saw the seller remove! I had to pay a 'hacker' £25 to remove it. This also sort of reset W10 back to factory settings. So, it started to update from scratch. Until it eventually arrived at one that stopped Windows from loading! Again I had to get OS and motherboard software (the latter is not Windows) to sort it out for £60. They turned Update off, to stop it happening again. But, it seems that W10 turn is back on! and you don't know because is runs in the background and cannot be deactivated or just set to Inform Me Before Downloading in W10, it seems. So when it reached that point again, again it broke. Back to the experts, who fixed it an no cost, because it was the same problem. But, I had realised that Update will come back on and do it all over again. What I discovered, and I don't know if this is only in the Pro version, and almost hidden away settings that appear to allow company owners to set many defaults they don't want employees to mess with. It seems to go beyond the normal Windows Admin. Via that I turned Update off fully. So I suppose the bottom line is. It's not caused any problems by not updating. But do note that many updates are software patches to stop hackers though, but it does seem that my ISP's servers and actual Router stop anything malicious from even reaching my PC. Defender still updates and runs, and never finds anything. Windows Defender and Firewall (a firewall is very important, if in doubt install Zonealarm free) used to be rubbish, but seems not too bad nowadays. I suppose the real bottom line is what you do with your PC. I need a powerful one that can handle large files and high end graphics (I just replaced the graphics card on mine at a price of £200, which is about average.) If all you do it write, search the net and read emails on it, then a low-end cheap one will do, if there still is such a thing as a low end PC! They seem to be all gaming ones now! even and old one will do, or even a cheap Android tablet. But the newer that one is, and the better, the faster it will even process the pages you are writing on. It's as simple as that. Do note that you get what you pay for, and you need to understand the differences to why some PCs cost £500 and some cost £6,000+. Many cheap ones do not have a graphics card, they use a chip on the motherboard and the RAM plugged in to it. A graphics card uses its own chip and RAM, taking the strain off the MB. RAM strips are expensive, but the more there are and thr greater capacity they are, will mean the PC will run faster and handle large files easier. There's also the still expensive Solid State Drives, but they are faster than the old much cheaper Disc Drive ones. This may help www.pcworld.com/article/2411081/what-to-look-for-in-your-new-pc.htmlBut, PCs collect clutter that can slow it down, and it needs to be removed once a week. metadataconsulting.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-to-clear-windows-7-temporary-files.htmlKevin!!! It's about time!!!
Ok, glad to see you
What is Zonealarm? I have so much installed now I'm afraid to install more. I'm actually worried I might lock myself out or my computer might see me as spam...not sure what I'm trying to say except that it might backfire.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:15:41 GMT
PS. I like your avatar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:57:52 GMT
But, PCs collect clutter that can slow it down, and it needs to be removed once a week. metadataconsulting.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-to-clear-windows-7-temporary-files.html
So good to see you Kevin.
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