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Post by BlueAndGold on Nov 30, 2022 13:06:31 GMT
You can't just click the Step 3 link again to replace it with your own image file? I have use this many times without any problem to tweak a cover.
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Post by sirram on Nov 30, 2022 14:51:16 GMT
I've tried uploading the image file again, and have also tried uploading a different image file. Same thing happens. The issue seems to be that if one first tries one of the four Lulu templates and then changes ones mind and uploads ones own image, Lulu's software seems unable to flush out the original template properly.
Or perhaps I am doing something wrong. I'll raise a ticket with Lulu support.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 30, 2022 15:10:05 GMT
Stitched? STITCHED? The following photos are of the spines of the latest two hardback ("casewrap"?) proofs received from Lulu, 08 November 2022. As you can see, neither of the inside back cover paper sheets that the cardboard back is glued to survived the first opening. I don't see any stitches. I just see what looks like what comes out my hot glue gun.
This is very disappointing to me. Prior years' hardbacks were better, but still certainly NOT stitched. These look as if they came from Amazon or somesuch. I have been considering removing these hardbacks from distribution. They really are rather embarrassing, especially considering the retail prices.
With hardbacked books the pages are normally in sections of a few pages, folded at the spine side. Then they are stitched together right through every page section to hold them together. You usually cannot see the stitches. The actual spine does not touch the pages as per a paperback. Lulu request spare pages, front and back, as many as four each end (and if not there they will add them, often confusing people with the page count!) These are used to glue the card to the 'spare' pages. If you open a hardbacked book you will be able to get your finger between the pages and the spine. There are different methods of hardback binding though. Some do start with a paperback's innards, where the individual pages are held together at the spine with glue. But normally they are still stitched. This is the basic hands on method www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBDv_63JCmw commercial methods drive long needles through all the pages at once. There's many methods though, some cheaper than others. www.qinprinting.com/binding-options/ I think Lulu offer options.
Paperbacks are just glued at the spine edge direct to the pages. Hot melt glue is used and it often runs slightly up each page, often hence a Gutter allowance.
But each type have their usage limits, depends on how often you open them! And how far! I have some commercially mass-created books and often the text is so close to the spine edge they have to be almost bent inside out to read them! They don't last long.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 30, 2022 15:14:13 GMT
Lulu always insisted their's are stitched. In the original forum on Lulu, when I said I had the impression the signatures of my hardback copy were stitched, a Lulu official intervened and said they were not stitched - it was just an impression. Interesting. When in Lulu's forum on about hardbacks, I said I don't think Lulu use the stitching method. Some Lulu staff to do with that aspect insisted that they do. He was quite scathing about it. How dare you suggest we don't!? sort of attitude.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Nov 30, 2022 15:25:24 GMT
The new new new Lulu cover wizard does not look like the old new new new ones. But the original new one, before all the changes, would auto-add title and name into the frames. But they could be deleted so you could add what you wanted. The frames of course did not print. I deleted the auto-text and did not use any built in Themes, and just created two jpgs, complete with title and name, the same size as my pages, one for front, and one for back. Uploaded them and pasted them over the entire naked template. Then used the eyedropper and text tool to get the spine to match. Each stage could be gone back over. I never used the one-piece one, so cannot really comment on that.
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Post by sirram on Nov 30, 2022 16:35:56 GMT
The new new new Lulu cover wizard does not look like the old new new new ones. But the original new one, before all the changes, would auto-add title and name into the frames. But they could be deleted so you could add what you wanted. The frames of course did not print. I deleted the auto-text and did not use any built in Themes, and just created two jpgs, complete with title and name, the same size as my pages, one for front, and one for back. Uploaded them and pasted them over the entire naked template. Then used the eyedropper and text tool to get the spine to match. Each stage could be gone back over. I never used the one-piece one, so cannot really comment on that. Re: my previous posts regarding the cover-design wizard, I now realise where I was going wrong. When I got to the "Design Your Cover" section, I chose one of Lulu's four templates but didn't like any of them (see step 2 screenshot in my earlier post). So, having decided instead to upload my own image (step 3 in same screenshot), I was assuming I was now going to create my own cover. I didn't realise I was still in Lulu's "template land" - although at the time, I did wonder why it was asking me to upload a jpg file rather than a pdf. Duh! So, for now, out of the four, I have chosen Lulu's "Front cover image" template. Apart from the ugly (and seemingly pointless) black rectangle at the bottom of the cover, it's the nearest to what I want. BTW, of Lulu's four templates, what is the point of the one called "Spine Image"? All it does is move the uploaded jpg image from the front of the cover to the spine (leaving the front blank)?
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Post by potet on Dec 1, 2022 9:45:42 GMT
" Maître Tace": the hard-bound copy printed in 2016 by the Lulu French printer is still perfect.
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Post by sirram on Dec 1, 2022 16:56:21 GMT
Although I will probably have to design my own cover from scratch, I thought you might like to see how a Lulu template-one turned out. Here is a snip from the resultant cover PDF I downloaded. Of the four templates available, three were ghastly. The one I used was "Front cover image". Having selected it, I uploaded an image of a Church and used Lulu's text fields to fill in the metadata (Book title, sub-title, author and text for the back cover). There are two immediate problems. The text is white and there is no obviously separate spine. The white text on the back is tolerable as the wizard allows one to select a dark background colour. But, on the front, the white book title and sub-title are barely discernible. And why no spine? How can one read the title of the book when it's on a book-shelf? I'd be interested if anyone else has tried using any of the four Lulu templates.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Dec 2, 2022 0:25:00 GMT
The new new new Lulu cover wizard does not look like the old new new new ones. But the original new one, before all the changes, would auto-add title and name into the frames. But they could be deleted so you could add what you wanted. The frames of course did not print. I deleted the auto-text and did not use any built in Themes, and just created two jpgs, complete with title and name, the same size as my pages, one for front, and one for back. Uploaded them and pasted them over the entire naked template. Then used the eyedropper and text tool to get the spine to match. Each stage could be gone back over. I never used the one-piece one, so cannot really comment on that. Re: my previous posts regarding the cover-design wizard, I now realise where I was going wrong. When I got to the "Design Your Cover" section, I chose one of Lulu's four templates but didn't like any of them (see step 2 screenshot in my earlier post). So, having decided instead to upload my own image (step 3 in same screenshot), I was assuming I was now going to create my own cover. I didn't realise I was still in Lulu's "template land" - although at the time, I did wonder why it was asking me to upload a jpg file rather than a pdf. Duh! So, for now, out of the four, I have chosen Lulu's "Front cover image" template. Apart from the ugly (and seemingly pointless) black rectangle at the bottom of the cover, it's the nearest to what I want. BTW, of Lulu's four templates, what is the point of the one called "Spine Image"? All it does is move the uploaded jpg image from the front of the cover to the spine (leaving the front blank)? Does that not mean you can upload an image for the spine as well? If so that's handy.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Dec 2, 2022 0:36:43 GMT
Although I will probably have to design my own cover from scratch, I thought you might like to see how a Lulu template-one turned out. Here is a snip from the resultant cover PDF I downloaded. View AttachmentOf the four templates available, three were ghastly. The one I used was "Front cover image". Having selected it, I uploaded an image of a Church and used Lulu's text fields to fill in the metadata (Book title, sub-title, author and text for the back cover). There are two immediate problems. The text is white and there is no obviously separate spine. The white text on the back is tolerable as the wizard allows one to select a dark background colour. But, on the front, the white book title and sub-title are barely discernible. And why no spine? How can one read the title of the book when it's on a book-shelf? I'd be interested if anyone else has tried using any of the four Lulu templates. The image is a bit 'pasty', but if that's what you want then that's OK. You should be able to change the font, font size and colour. Is there no text editing tool? But what I do, I add the text to the image, including my name, before I upload, and delete the auto added text. There should be a spine text tool too. Anyways, this should be useful. It looks like Lulu's new thing > www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ulOoETxPA
I really dislike that black bar across the bottom! That's a template is it?
Anyways part two. These are some of mine. Just using the two JPG method, although you can only see the front there. No template and all auto added stuff deleted. www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Kevin-Lomas/s?rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AKevin+Lomas
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Dec 2, 2022 0:41:21 GMT
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Post by sirram on Dec 2, 2022 11:01:42 GMT
To answer the above questions:
Yes, the image is a bit pasty. I just chose something at random for the test. It’s an old postcard from 1909.
As far as I can see, the wizard only allows a single jpg to be uploaded. So, if you select the “Spine image” template, the image is positioned on the spine. One cannot then edit the front cover. One is just stuck with the selected background colour.
I cannot see any text editing facilities. One enters the text in dead fields, rather like a website’s contact form.
I too hate the bar at the bottom of the cover, but there is no way of getting rid of it.
If anyone reading this has a half-hour to spare, all you need to do is start a new project, upload any old interior pdf and then move on to the cover-design wizard. You upload a cover image, select your template and select your background colour (singular). The colours are mostly horrible.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Dec 2, 2022 13:06:44 GMT
I'm very sorry to hear the wizard is useless to you. But thank you for being the guinea pig. You have reinforced my recommendation that one create one's own cover unless it is completely beyond them.
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Post by sirram on Dec 2, 2022 14:00:02 GMT
I thought you'd like to see two of the other book-cover templates (using the same Church picture and text as above). The screen-shots below also show the full horror of the background colours available. Firstly the "Two-colour with image" template (I chose the red background this time): Then the "Centred title" template (with a different colour): No grumbling at the back please! They've at least got spines, unlike the first template.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Dec 2, 2022 20:07:44 GMT
I'm very sorry to hear the wizard is useless to you. But thank you for being the guinea pig. You have reinforced my recommendation that one create one's own cover unless it is completely beyond them. Well, using the previous Lulu cover wizards, we could. I think Sirram is trying to design his own, but when creating a book at Lulu, the Cover Wizard has to be used does it not? Uploaded to or not. There's no way around it is there?
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