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Post by ronmiller on Mar 15, 2020 18:28:43 GMT
That is perfectly OK! You are certainly expert enough at what you do (and distressingly talented at it, to boot). As I mentioned in a post earlier this morning, I wasn't so much trying to convince you to abandon self-publishing (heaven forbid!) as I was trying dispel some misconceptions about traditional publishing. (After all, if I were anti-self-publishing, I wouldn't be doing it myself!) So my comments were really not directed so much to you specifically as they were to others who may be reading this thread. Actually, Ron, what you posted was very informative. And who knows, one day I might be on the other end of it --the publisher who offers those terms to authors. Who knows? In 1968 Peter Workman published just one, lone, single book. Today, Workman Publishing is the largest independent publisher in the country. By the way, that first book is still in print.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 15, 2020 20:18:06 GMT
That is perfectly OK! You are certainly expert enough at what you do (and distressingly talented at it, to boot). As I mentioned in a post earlier this morning, I wasn't so much trying to convince you to abandon self-publishing (heaven forbid!) as I was trying dispel some misconceptions about traditional publishing. (After all, if I were anti-self-publishing, I wouldn't be doing it myself!) So my comments were really not directed so much to you specifically as they were to others who may be reading this thread. And thank you very much for the kind words, they made my day. An observation if I may. Maggie is admirably proficient at what she does. Regarding her being 'distressingly talented', it might be better phrased as refreshingly or perhaps intriguingly talented. A high level at proficiency in a field is a mark of the talent as makes the proficiency possible as long as the individual has the drive to make it so.
This observation comes from a simple soul who is merely a pawn in the game of life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:26:18 GMT
Actually, Ron, what you posted was very informative. And who knows, one day I might be on the other end of it --the publisher who offers those terms to authors. Who knows? In 1968 Peter Workman published just one, lone, single book. Today, Workman Publishing is the largest independent publisher in the country. By the way, that first book is still in print. [b [b If I recall correctly it was somet for pregnant women?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:28:14 GMT
And thank you very much for the kind words, they made my day. An observation if I may. Maggie is admirably proficient at what she does. Regarding her being 'distressingly talented', it might be better phrased as refreshingly or perhaps intriguingly talented. A high level at proficiency in a field is a mark of the talent as makes the proficiency possible as long as the individual has the drive to make it so.
This observation comes from a simple soul who is merely a pawn in the game of life. Cameron, too sweet, thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 5:26:30 GMT
I wouldn't care one bit if the publisher took his/her share, as long as he/she published my book. What I would care about is if no one bought it!!! It's a subject I feel passionate about. Recently I had a stairlift installed in my home and I started talking to the engineer about intensive farms and how rain forests are being ruined in order to put up these monstrosities. I was surprised to find out he knew nothing about these horrible farms. People need to be informed not only about the cruel way animals are treated in these intensive farms but also they need to know that the destruction of vast areas of land, plus the ruination of our forests, are extremely detrimental for our planet. So Mr/Mrs Publisher take your cut but sell my book!!! I will put my cover in the right section here if I can. I've already sent it to Ron and he likes it.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 16, 2020 12:42:30 GMT
An observation if I may. Maggie is admirably proficient at what she does. Regarding her being 'distressingly talented', it might be better phrased as refreshingly or perhaps intriguingly talented. A high level at proficiency in a field is a mark of the talent as makes the proficiency possible as long as the individual has the drive to make it so.
This observation comes from a simple soul who is merely a pawn in the game of life. Cameron, too sweet, thank you. Many would deem sweet and me as mutually exclusive.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 16, 2020 16:26:05 GMT
I wouldn't care one bit if the publisher took his/her share, as long as he/she published my book. What I would care about is if no one bought it!!! It's a subject I feel passionate about. Recently I had a stairlift installed in my home and I started talking to the engineer about intensive farms and how rain forests are being ruined in order to put up these monstrosities. I was surprised to find out he knew nothing about these horrible farms. People need to be informed not only about the cruel way animals are treated in these intensive farms but also they need to know that the destruction of vast areas of land, plus the ruination of our forests, are extremely detrimental for our planet. So Mr/Mrs Publisher take your cut but sell my book!!! I will put my cover in the right section here if I can. I've already sent it to Ron and he likes it. It can be amazing how little people know about things that are actually all over all types of media, so it should be common knowledge, but it's not I watch a lot of documentaries about all manner of things. I suspect that many people only watch soaps, Love Island, football, and the Kardashians and funny cats on line. One worrying thing though, most people don't care or think such things will not affect them in their lifetimes. They are alright, jack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 19:11:40 GMT
That's true Kevin. I must say I was surprised that the engineer knew nothing about factory farms. Maybe the children can inform their parents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:58:08 GMT
Cameron, too sweet, thank you. Many would deem sweet and me as mutually exclusive. No way.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 16, 2020 23:01:50 GMT
That's true Kevin. I must say I was surprised that the engineer knew nothing about factory farms. Maybe the children can inform their parents. But what children? your engineer was a child once. And how many read PETA's site? I know I don't, and I also know there's little I can do about what they report on, and a lot of it is outside the UK so totally out of UK and EU legislation. It's also a puzzle what they report on in some instances because most meat sold in the UK is farmed in the UK under stringent UK laws.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 16, 2020 23:07:03 GMT
Many would deem sweet and me as mutually exclusive. No way. You'd be surprised. Emulating nice and being nice aren't quite equivalent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 5:54:45 GMT
You'd be surprised. Emulating nice and being nice aren't quite equivalent.
Sphinx-Cameron when you emulate someone, you imitate them. When someone you admire is nice, others will emulate them. They imitate the nice person because they admire this particular characteristic. In the process of emulation they become NICE themselves. You are a nice person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 6:43:05 GMT
But what children? your engineer was a child once. And how many read PETA's site? I know I don't, and I also know there's little I can do about what they report on, and a lot of it is outside the UK so totally out of UK and EU legislation. It's also a puzzle what they report on in some instances because most meat sold in the UK is farmed in the UK under stringent UK laws.
You are probably right about not too many people reading Peta's site, which is a pity because even a virtual housebound person like me, can play a part. I sign petitions, get Parliament to debate issues, write to companies and organiisations and generally hector those who are not only abusing animals but seem to have no thought about the planet we are leaving our children. I can assure you Kevin we have had many sucesses. I used to be a vegan but am now a vegetarian. However as a vegan our group visited some abbatoirs that were very careless. They would not stun the creatures properly and these helpless animals would be strung up by their legs, fully conscious, and sent for slaughter. We played a part in stopping some of these terrible practices, but it still goes on in the UK and elsewhere.
PS. Kevin, thank you for noticing that I hadn't added my name to my cover. I might have used it like that. What a disaster!! Anyway I have deleted the image I put on here and have put the cover with my name in "covers."
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 17, 2020 13:15:12 GMT
You'd be surprised. Emulating nice and being nice aren't quite equivalent. Sphinx-Cameron when you emulate someone, you imitate them. When someone you admire is nice, others will emulate them. They imitate the nice person because they admire this particular characteristic. In the process of emulation they become NICE themselves. You are a nice person. Lady Elizabeth,
You are far too kind, and I respect that level of compassion and empathy because it is so often lacking in younger generations.
I teach my children 'Consideration For Others Before Consideration For Self' [easier with the eldest girl than the other two at this point] because they are much like young forces of nature, unstoppable unless they control themselves. This lesson being taught early is important because later in life there will be situations where if they don't emulate nice, because they failed to consider the consequences of their actions upon others on a level higher than whatever goal they have in mind, there is the potential harm caused to others and themselves.
I grew up in a harsh house. I understand how easy it can be to cause harm [either mental or physical] to others, just as I understand how fear can be a different harm. Seeing fear in another person's eyes, fear inspired not because of anything you've done to them but because the other person knows what you're capable of can be a very unsettling. Seeing someone cower away from the fear of what you might do is not something any well-balanced individual wants to experience.
Better to be seen as a sleeping dragon contentedly curled around its nest, as the villagers may be wary enough while leaving the sleeper alone where they would most assuredly seek to destroy the creature who readily goes on a rampage.
I am what I am, while hoping for my replacements to be more.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 17, 2020 16:05:51 GMT
"Sphinx-Cameron when you emulate someone, you imitate them. When someone you admire is nice, others will emulate them. They imitate the nice person because they admire this particular characteristic. In the process of emulation they become NICE themselves. You are a nice person." People are people so it's also true that some well copy bad people. Most people are basically 'sheep' hence why we now have 'influencers' on line, people who apparently advise people how to live, what to wear, what to eat, and what to buy. Sad but true. izea.com/2018/05/08/top-online-influencers/ www.smartinsights.com/online-pr/online-pr-outreach/types-of-influencers/
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