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Post by BostonZone on Sept 9, 2023 15:24:16 GMT
Hi All, Does anyone know where LuLu stands on the issue of AI-generated & AI-assisted content? Amazon recently revised its policy. If the content is initially made by AI then Amazon says it's AI-generated & must be disclosed. I'm thinking of using AI to make articles/books for sale on LuLu. The technology would be used to furnish a rough draft that I would edit & infuse with my own style. I will be disclosing my use of these tools either in the article/books descriptions or in the files themselves. Besides this disclosure, I want to make sure that LuLu's is OK with this type of content. Has anyone heard how LuLu content creators are using AI, to what extent they are using it, & how they are handling their disclosures? Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated. thank you, |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 9, 2023 15:49:29 GMT
Hi All, Does anyone know where LuLu stands on the issue of AI-generated & AI-assisted content? Amazon recently revised its policy. If the content is initially made by AI then Amazon says it's AI-generated & must be disclosed. I'm thinking of using AI to make articles/books for sale on LuLu. The technology would be used to furnish a rough draft that I would edit & infuse with my own style. I will be disclosing my use of these tools either in the article/books descriptions or in the files themselves. Besides this disclosure, I want to make sure that LuLu's is OK with this type of content. Has anyone heard how LuLu content creators are using AI, to what extent they are using it, & how they are handling their disclosures? Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated. thank you,
What you want to avoid is either plagiarism [legal but unethical and usually in an academic setting] or copyright infringement [illegal and open to civil penalties] because it wouldn't be hard to imagine an AI spitting out something it 'created' by copying a source without the copyright holder's permission.
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Post by BostonZone on Sept 9, 2023 16:36:19 GMT
A quick Google search on "lulu press and ai generated content" pulled up the link to the following article blog.lulu.com/ai-writers-for-book-marketing/ What you should also focus on are the copyright implications which you can Google with "copyright rules on ai generated content" which brought up the following article www.techtarget.com/searchcontentmanagement/answer/Is-AI-generated-content-copyrightedWhat you want to avoid is either plagiarism [legal but unethical and usually in an academic setting] or copyright infringement [illegal and open to civil penalties] because it wouldn't be hard to imagine an AI spitting out something it 'created' by copying a source without the copyright holder's permission. Feel free to use Google and read the Lulu Press terms and conditions for any of its details www.lulu.com/terms-and-conditionsHi Cameron, I appreciate the response. Earlier in the day I encountered that LuLu Blog article. I've been looking into the plagiarism & copyright infringements & will check out the Tech Target article you mentioned. I just wanted to know if LuLu had an official policy on this & what procedures have been implemented by other LuLu authors who use AI. thanks |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 9, 2023 17:29:51 GMT
A quick Google search on "lulu press and ai generated content" pulled up the link to the following article blog.lulu.com/ai-writers-for-book-marketing/ What you should also focus on are the copyright implications which you can Google with "copyright rules on ai generated content" which brought up the following article www.techtarget.com/searchcontentmanagement/answer/Is-AI-generated-content-copyrightedWhat you want to avoid is either plagiarism [legal but unethical and usually in an academic setting] or copyright infringement [illegal and open to civil penalties] because it wouldn't be hard to imagine an AI spitting out something it 'created' by copying a source without the copyright holder's permission. Feel free to use Google and read the Lulu Press terms and conditions for any of its details www.lulu.com/terms-and-conditionsHi Cameron, I appreciate the response. Earlier in the day I encountered that LuLu Blog article. I've been looking into the plagiarism & copyright infringements & will check out the Tech Target article you mentioned. I just wanted to know if LuLu had an official policy on this & what procedures have been implemented by other LuLu authors who use AI. thanks I understood what you wanted to know, however unless one or more of the end-users of this fora are secretly Lulu Press employees [which I for one am not] the only way for one of us to answer would be by digging through the Lulu Press website or by posing the question directly to Lulu Press.
Part of your answer likely hinges on the question of when AI-Generated content can be copyrighted: if it's the direct result generated by a prompt it's not considered the result of a human mind [until such time as an AI is considered to have a human mind] making it ineligible for copyright whereas a human mind creatively modifying the results probably would be eligible for a copyright. You might want to check with a copyright attorney to verify since I can't offer definitive legal advice as I am also not an attorney. Similarly when I went to the ER a couple odd years ago when asked why I was there I replied with "...a probable..." condition because I'm not a medical doctor and I wouldn't want to be accused of practicing without a license [though my self-diagnosis was correct].
Another part of your answer is in order to legally publish you either own the copyright to your material or you have the author's permission to publish. One of the reasons public domain material can't be copyrighted by whomever wants to claim it is because it's beyond the time when a copyright applies, hence why so many Self-Publishers had material taken down because they hadn't added value through translation, discussion, and so on [you can copyright your work but not the publi8c domain work it's attached to].
All said and done, if you want to know the official Lulu Press policy toward modified AI-Generated content you're best option is to check directly with Lulu Press, because it's very easy for someone to tell you what they think they know only for you to later find out they actually didn't know what they were talking about and now you're on the hook.
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Post by BostonZone on Sept 9, 2023 20:35:25 GMT
Hi Cameron,
Thanks again for taking the time to explain this. I like your idea about asking LuLu directly.
I have not made any decisions yet about the role AI will have in some my content creation.
I'm still looking into all of this.
Have a great weekend!
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 9, 2023 21:38:47 GMT
Hi Cameron, Thanks again for taking the time to explain this. I like your idea about asking LuLu directly. I have not made any decisions yet about the role AI will have in some my content creation. I'm still looking into all of this. Have a great weekend! No matter how informed someone is about matters they don't deal with on a professional basis, it doesn't beat getting an answer from someone whose job is in that field, whether legal, medical, engineering, or other. Meaning no matter how intelligent the end-users at this site may be, your best bet is asking the workers at Lulu Press directly.
Every day above the daisies is a bonus. Too many I used to know are on the underside of said daisies.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 9, 2023 22:33:39 GMT
Personally I would say, don't use AI. Creation should be human.
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Post by potet on Sept 10, 2023 18:21:49 GMT
I suppose AI is useful when it comes to hard-to-find quotations.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 10, 2023 23:34:50 GMT
I suppose AI is useful when it comes to hard-to-find quotations. 
Although there seems to be a lot of confusion over what AI actually is.
AI can write its own code for a start. It learns. The software we are use to cannot.
Think Star Wars. Robots that at least have the emotions of humans and can act independently.
Westworld the remake. Androids that become more intelligent than humans, by learning: and become very resentful. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 11, 2023 12:06:15 GMT
Reading that blog about what AI is and how it is useful, again does not know what AI is.
But let's start at the beginning of that blog. Jobbing writers using AI to write stuff because they have too many deadlines to reach? They will soon find themselves out of work. When I was one working for many magazines at a time many years ago, I was paid up to 15p a word. The publishers could avoid paying that to their many contributors by using AI (hoping no one noticed!) And if they can, they will. They are in it simply for the profit.
The writer of that blog's example of a google image search? That's not AI, and is far from new software. It comes from old text-only RP PC games. It's simply an in-depth reading of a sentence, putting each word in to a sub-category. The impressive part of that is the depth in to the sentence some search engines can go. Some can still only 'read' two words.
Spell checkers? Again not AI. You cannot instruct a spell checker to assume that every word it does not know, is a person's name, so to automatically add every unknown word to the database as such, for example. One example of how good such spell checkers are is auto replace of 'typos' on a smart phone (why are they even called Smart? Why does Apple use i (for intelligent) in front of all their stuff?) I am sure you have noticed how inaccurate they can be? Maybe adding to the problem that younger people cannot spell, and don't realise they are allowing the wrong word? Hardly AI in action.
Copyright? Surely if someone creates something no other person has, then they can copyright it? Patent it even. Even if they use some form of text generating tool. To say they cannot copyright it is like saying Musicians cannot copyright their output, because they did not create the instrument they composed on. However, some use Sampling of another person's work, and they can get in bother if they have not asked. If they have, then the originator will also get a royalty. That can also be a problem with some text creation apps. They are searching the net for similar text that can be spliced together. That's a form of plagiarism.
I think AI is currently just a new Buzz Word, and a lot of stuff said to be AI: is not. It's just a flashy term to add to the name of Apps.
To me, true AI would be comparable to how a human learns. Starting from birth, an empty mind, that through its life fills that emptiness with knowledge, it can actually make use of, using at least intuition. And look how often that turns out ...
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