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Post by ronmiller on Apr 2, 2020 19:50:32 GMT
Thanks for the nice compliment about my daughter! I guess she does clean up well. I will have to share a pic of Judith just to be fair... Loved the clip, by the way! From one of my favoritest movies ever!
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 2, 2020 20:20:24 GMT
Yeah, the spouse said your Judith reminds her of an "Eve, beautiful, serene, and strong in an elemental way". She also hopes your spouse doesn't take offense at her comment.
As for my comment about your daughter, only an imbecile or a fool can't see or admit what's obvious to others.
I kind of like that movie among others. The opening narration to "Lust in the Dust" cracks me up every time.
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Post by ronmiller on Apr 2, 2020 21:00:27 GMT
Yeah, the spouse said your Judith reminds her of an "Eve, beautiful, serene, and strong in an elemental way". She also hopes your spouse doesn't take offense at her comment. As for my comment about your daughter, only an imbecile or a fool can't see or admit what's obvious to others. I kind of like that movie among others. The opening narration to "Lust in the Dust" cracks me up every time. Judith was very flattered! I will have to introduce you to her alter ego, Captain Judikha of the Vortex Patrol. Lust in the Dust! Oh man! That might have to be our evening movie tonight, if I can find it! PS I have to admit that as much as I love Earth Girls, a lot has to do with Geena Davis in that white bikini... Attachments:
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 2, 2020 21:46:08 GMT
Yeah, the spouse said your Judith reminds her of an "Eve, beautiful, serene, and strong in an elemental way". She also hopes your spouse doesn't take offense at her comment. As for my comment about your daughter, only an imbecile or a fool can't see or admit what's obvious to others. I kind of like that movie among others. The opening narration to "Lust in the Dust" cracks me up every time. Judith was very flattered! I will have to introduce you to her alter ego, Captain Judikha of the Vortex Patrol. Lust in the Dust! Oh man! That might have to be our evening movie tonight, if I can find it! PS I have to admit that as much as I love Earth Girls, a lot has to do with Geena Davis in that white bikini... Ah, "Long Kiss Goodnight", a better look but not for Hollywood's "Fighting Ef Toy" stereotype. I can respect a warrior.
Lady Ellen, being a warrior in her own right, was simply acknowledging an equal in spirit, no flattery intended.
We have "Lust in the Dust" on DVD, from a time when Milady and I could indulge each other to a certain extent.
Betimes methinks Milady seeks to tie a relict creature to this world, your world. She thinks she can successfully battle entropy, and I will not disabuse her belief.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 6:35:13 GMT
Bold face is me, regular face is Kevin (Ron)
Ron that is such a good idea especially when 3 or more people are being quoted. Kevin I wanted to follow your post but you had so many people quoted that I couldn't tell who was who. Perhaps at the beginning you could let us know the person's colour.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 6:52:37 GMT
Anyway, why is that sexist? Not only is it often the case, it can also work both ways. It's the "well, we/I can afford it. so what the hell? We/I can afford it if it goes to the wall. So stop hassling me about it" without doing the slightest bit of market research. As per my clothing shop example, that I see a lot of where I live. What's sexist about it? No one is saying it's bound to fail because they are stupid females. The Dumb Blond concept is sexist, as an example, because many are not, but in a way it is saying most females are dumb because many blonds are out of a bottle.
Kevin, I think what it comes down to is that what some see as sexist others don't. Also I know from experience, that for some people once they have made up their mind on an issue they will stick to it devotedly. In the end, to not descend into argument, it's often better to just agree to differ.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 7:25:49 GMT
I have to laugh. My grandchild was listening in to the discussion between her parents, her aunt and me about talent versus development and she said to her Dad, "Mummy says I was born with talent in art." Today I heard him tell Lana (my grandchild) "Yes Lana you were born with art talent!" Thare goes his case for development.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 3, 2020 8:40:41 GMT
Anyway, why is that sexist? Not only is it often the case, it can also work both ways. It's the "well, we/I can afford it. so what the hell? We/I can afford it if it goes to the wall. So stop hassling me about it" without doing the slightest bit of market research. As per my clothing shop example, that I see a lot of where I live. What's sexist about it? No one is saying it's bound to fail because they are stupid females. The Dumb Blond concept is sexist, as an example, because many are not, but in a way it is saying most females are dumb because many blonds are out of a bottle.Kevin, I think what it comes down to is that what some see as sexist others don't. Also I know from experience, that for some people once they have made up their mind on an issue they will stick to it devotedly. In the end, to not descend into argument, it's often better to just agree to differ. Lady Elizabeth,
You'd be surprised how many people don't see the sexism driving certain issues or policies. Consider military spouses who are not in the military themselves.
Any time the civilian spouse screws up whether it's a bounced check or a traffic ticket, the military spouse is going to hear about it from their chain of command. The reason being military members [most often male] are supposed to control their spouses [most often female] in order to make sure the spouse isn't giving the public a negative impression of the service.
It gets a bit more interesting for the couple that reverses the pattern. The male civilian spouse must be lazy, shiftless, incapable of supporting himself and on it goes. Meanwhile the female military member can expect to get asked things like "are you being abused at home" for the flimsiest of reasons. My spouse has heterochromia of the eye and skin on the right forehead down to the area around the eye, and it's sad how often she got asked if I was hitting her. The hilarious part is I can bump my hand lightly against something and the senile purpuria [bruising] is close to instantaneous.
Some of the fun stuff that goes along with "Men, control your wives" even when it's been diluted to "Personnel, control your spouses".
Sexism is at times so subtle the worst offenders don't get it because "it's just the way things are and always have been".
But since I stayed home to take care of the babies, in classic role reversal mode [for all the manly men] I won't worry my sweet little head over matters the menfolk need to resolve. I have diapers to change and laundry to do before I whip up a good meal so my honey doesn't get aggravated by waiting. Typing that actually made me want to slap myself, but I'm a blonde after all.
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I mentioned the preceding to the spouse and she started thinking about all the times some NCO or junior Commissioned Officer [operating on suspicion, rumor mill, or both] pulled her aside to grill her about what was going on at home. Was I hitting her due to the "blackened eye". Was she hitting me, because they rarely saw me. Every time she'd tell them she was born with the different shading on that side almost invariably the response would be "Oh really". Thinking back on those years, those questionings happened a couple dozen times over a span of seven years.
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Post by ronmiller on Apr 3, 2020 11:12:47 GMT
Anyway, why is that sexist? Not only is it often the case, it can also work both ways. It's the "well, we/I can afford it. so what the hell? We/I can afford it if it goes to the wall. So stop hassling me about it" without doing the slightest bit of market research. As per my clothing shop example, that I see a lot of where I live. What's sexist about it? No one is saying it's bound to fail because they are stupid females. The Dumb Blond concept is sexist, as an example, because many are not, but in a way it is saying most females are dumb because many blonds are out of a bottle.Kevin, I think what it comes down to is that what some see as sexist others don't. Also I know from experience, that for some people once they have made up their mind on an issue they will stick to it devotedly. In the end, to not descend into argument, it's often better to just agree to differ. I think that people who are not directly involved have a shaky right to decide what is or is not racist or sexist. For instance, a white person really can't say that a joke about black people isn't racist or a man can't say that a demeaning comment about a woman isn't sexist. I don't know how many times I have heard someone tell a joke based on some racial or sexual stereotype and then say "I don't see anything wrong with that." Easy to say when you are not the subject of the joke.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 3, 2020 12:53:34 GMT
Ron,
I've seen a lot of what you're talking about, and whether it a "joke" about another person's ethnicity*, physical gender, or mental gender, the "joke" is usually geared toward making the teller feel superior to the subject of the "joke".
The same thing happens regarding people with disabilities, and there's a young comedian with [if memory serves] Cerebral Palsy who is actually pretty good at making "normal" feel uncomfortable laughing at jokes about how the condition affects his daily life. Instead of letting others make him the subject, he does it and gets his point across.
From what I can tell, the people who are the worst about telling objectionable "jokes" are usually either bigoted, insecure, or both, while never having had to deal with the type treatment they regularly dish out.
* I tend to use ethnicity rather than race because in a genetic sense al humans extant today are members of one species, though some are more or less hybridized with other now extinct subspecies of the same race. Race as most people use it today is a social construct first used to denote speakers of a common language but by the 17th Century it had changed to denote certain physical phenotypes that proved the natural superiority of "white" Europeans over the other inferior "darker skinned" races.
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Post by ronmiller on Apr 3, 2020 13:27:38 GMT
Ron, I've seen a lot of what you're talking about, and whether it a "joke" about another person's ethnicity*, physical gender, or mental gender, the "joke" is usually geared toward making the teller feel superior to the subject of the "joke". The same thing happens regarding people with disabilities, and there's a young comedian with [if memory serves] Cerebral Palsy who is actually pretty good at making "normal" feel uncomfortable laughing at jokes about how the condition affects his daily life. Instead of letting others make him the subject, he does it and gets his point across. From what I can tell, the people who are the worst about telling objectionable "jokes" are usually either bigoted, insecure, or both, while never having had to deal with the type treatment they regularly dish out. * I tend to use ethnicity rather than race because in a genetic sense al humans extant today are members of one species, though some are more or less hybridized with other now extinct subspecies of the same race. Race as most people use it today is a social construct first used to denote speakers of a common language but by the 17th Century it had changed to denote certain physical phenotypes that proved the natural superiority of "white" Europeans over the other inferior "darker skinned" races. You are right about "race." There really is no such thing. We are a single species. Within that species are variations, of course, just as there are variations between different sorts of dogs and cats...but it doesn't matter if you are talking about a collie or a poodle or a manx or a Scottish fold, they are still all Canis familiaris and Felis catus. Likewise all humans are Homo sapiens. Species---"sapiens" for us---is as far down as biological classification goes. There is no such thing as Homo sapiens somethingelse. Whenever I hear of someone described as being of "mixed race" it always sounds vaguely like a non sequitur to me.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 3, 2020 13:38:53 GMT
Ron, I've seen a lot of what you're talking about, and whether it a "joke" about another person's ethnicity*, physical gender, or mental gender, the "joke" is usually geared toward making the teller feel superior to the subject of the "joke". The same thing happens regarding people with disabilities, and there's a young comedian with [if memory serves] Cerebral Palsy who is actually pretty good at making "normal" feel uncomfortable laughing at jokes about how the condition affects his daily life. Instead of letting others make him the subject, he does it and gets his point across. From what I can tell, the people who are the worst about telling objectionable "jokes" are usually either bigoted, insecure, or both, while never having had to deal with the type treatment they regularly dish out. * I tend to use ethnicity rather than race because in a genetic sense al humans extant today are members of one species, though some are more or less hybridized with other now extinct subspecies of the same race. Race as most people use it today is a social construct first used to denote speakers of a common language but by the 17th Century it had changed to denote certain physical phenotypes that proved the natural superiority of "white" Europeans over the other inferior "darker skinned" races. You are right about "race." There really is no such thing. We are a single species. Within that species are variations, of course, just as there are variations between different sorts of dogs and cats...but it doesn't matter if you are talking about a collie or a poodle or a manx or a Scottish fold, they are still all Canis familiaris and Felis catus. Likewise all humans are Homo sapiens. Species---"sapiens" for us---is as far down as biological classification goes. There is no such thing as Homo sapiens somethingelse. Whenever I hear of someone described as being of "mixed race" it always sounds vaguely like a non sequitur to me. When it comes to humans "mixed race" would be Homo Sapiens mixed with Homo Neanderthalensis, Denisovan, or another now extinct species / subspecies of Homo. I have a lot of Neanderthal genes, and a slightly smaller chunk of genetic material from an older currently unidentified Homo variant.
For those individual humans who lack inherited genetics from one or more of those older extinct versions "mixed ethnicity" would be more the correct term.
A Manx crossed with a bobcat or an Abyssinian crossed with an Asian Leopard Cat would be examples of "mixed race" felines.
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Post by ronmiller on Apr 3, 2020 14:28:09 GMT
You are right about "race." There really is no such thing. We are a single species. Within that species are variations, of course, just as there are variations between different sorts of dogs and cats...but it doesn't matter if you are talking about a collie or a poodle or a manx or a Scottish fold, they are still all Canis familiaris and Felis catus. Likewise all humans are Homo sapiens. Species---"sapiens" for us---is as far down as biological classification goes. There is no such thing as Homo sapiens somethingelse. Whenever I hear of someone described as being of "mixed race" it always sounds vaguely like a non sequitur to me. When it comes to humans "mixed race" would be Homo Sapiens mixed with Homo Neanderthalensis, Denisovan, or another now extinct species / subspecies of Homo. I have a lot of Neanderthal genes, and a slightly smaller chunk of genetic material from an older currently unidentified Homo variant.
For those individual humans who lack inherited genetics from one or more of those older extinct versions "mixed ethnicity" would be more the correct term.
A Manx crossed with a bobcat or an Abyssinian crossed with an Asian Leopard Cat would be examples of "mixed race" felines.
You are quite right. But I think that it is still a good thing to avoid the use of the word "race"---especially when what is really meant is "species." For instance Homo sapiens, Homo erectus, Homo neanderthalis, et al are all species of humans, just as Felis catus and Felis panthera are species of cat. I think it's especially important when talking about human beings to not confuse the words since blacks, Asians, Caucasians, etc. are not different species. To even suggest (which I hasten to say you did not!) that people of different races may be of different species lays the groundwork for discrimination. In fact, it was long argued that blacks were in fact a different---and "lower"---species than whites.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 15:12:32 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 3, 2020 15:18:04 GMT
When it comes to humans "mixed race" would be Homo Sapiens mixed with Homo Neanderthalensis, Denisovan, or another now extinct species / subspecies of Homo. I have a lot of Neanderthal genes, and a slightly smaller chunk of genetic material from an older currently unidentified Homo variant.
For those individual humans who lack inherited genetics from one or more of those older extinct versions "mixed ethnicity" would be more the correct term.
A Manx crossed with a bobcat or an Abyssinian crossed with an Asian Leopard Cat would be examples of "mixed race" felines.
You are quite right. But I think that it is still a good thing to avoid the use of the word "race"---especially when what is really meant is "species." For instance Homo sapiens, Homo erectus, Homo neanderthalis, et al are all species of humans, just as Felis catus and Felis panthera are species of cat. I think it's especially important when talking about human beings to not confuse the words since blacks, Asians, Caucasians, etc. are not different species. To even suggest (which I hasten to say you did not!) that people of different races may be of different species lays the groundwork for discrimination. In fact, it was long argued that blacks were in fact a different---and "lower"---species than whites. Ron,
All good, and part of the reason I get into specificity when humans start throwing the word race around is because more often than not they use it incorrectly, for the very reasons you listed. Chimpanzees are Tribe Hominini just as humans are, though falling under Genus Pan while we're under Genus Homo. We share 98.8% percent of our DNA with them and their sister species bonobos.
By comparison we share 99.7% of our DNA with Neanderthals [also Genus Homo] and at a rough guesstimate about 99.68% or our DNA with the Denisovans [also Genus Homo].
Despite having some non-Anatomically Modern Human DNA, and some Indigenous American and sub-Saharan African in my background, at most I consider myself multi-ethnic because it doesn't matter what species of Genus Homo we descend from, we're all human.
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