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Post by Mag2024 on Jan 12, 2024 19:34:03 GMT
Strange why moderately young people don't assume that we also did stuff ... and at times still do. My young people know.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 13, 2024 0:05:58 GMT
Perhaps you still do it? But what do they know?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 13, 2024 0:09:33 GMT
The UK is having warmer days than usual, for the time of year, which is just as well because if all this rain was snow it would look like the North Pole by now.
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davidatthegrove
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Frickin' cold riding the "polar vortex"!
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Post by davidatthegrove on Jan 13, 2024 0:36:35 GMT
Where are you? Alaska? It's been a warm winter here, almost no snow and mild. From the weather, you'd think we were! But no, we're in south-central Saskatchewan, Canada. We're about 60 miles north of the US border. A week ago, I was out splitting firewood in above freezing temperatures. It's been the warmest December in decades... then the coin flipped and we got the opposite side of that. They say that the temps will go back above freezing in a week's time, as the "vortex" moves off to the south-east. But, it's turning out to be a very loooooong week. Thanks to the active jet stream, tonight they say we'll be getting wind-chills into the negative fifties!!! Say a prayer for us. We'll need it.
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Post by Mag2024 on Jan 13, 2024 1:17:18 GMT
Where are you? Alaska? It's been a warm winter here, almost no snow and mild. From the weather, you'd think we were! But no, we're in south-central Saskatchewan, Canada. We're about 60 miles north of the US border. A week ago, I was out splitting firewood in above freezing temperatures. It's been the warmest December in decades... then the coin flipped and we got the opposite side of that. They say that the temps will go back above freezing in a week's time, as the "vortex" moves off to the south-east. But, it's turning out to be a very loooooong week. Thanks to the active jet stream, tonight they say we'll be getting wind-chills into the negative fifties!!! Say a prayer for us. We'll need it. I will say a prayer for you. Have backup heat sources in case the power goes out.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 13, 2024 2:37:04 GMT
Young children know what they're taught, and often enough they're far more observant than many adults give them credit for.
I'm not looking forward to the chill hitting here. A chance of wintry mix where it's rare isn't my idea of fun. I know how to negotiate driving on ice and snow, but most people in these here parts don't. I have no desire to see where someone who was driving 85 mph as if it were warm and sunny went off the road.
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davidatthegrove
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Frickin' cold riding the "polar vortex"!
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Post by davidatthegrove on Jan 13, 2024 14:10:07 GMT
I will say a prayer for you. Have backup heat sources in case the power goes out. Thank you! We heat with wood, so we'll keep warm as long as I've stocked enough wood. And, from the looks of it, we have plenty. Although last night I went thru a few arm fulls of it. Supposed to have another night like that tonight, but the forecast says it will start to get warmer after that. Retread-Retired-CameronYes, that winter driving is a real challenge when you have to deal with people who don't take the time to stop and consider that tires on ice do not respond the same way as bare, dry, asphalt. And I can just imagine how "up the creek" we would be out here if our Prime Minister got his way and forced us all into electric vehicles. How far is a battery car going to get in -35 C weather? Insanity.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Jan 13, 2024 15:10:31 GMT
Batteries don't like the cold. It's a balmy -18F here this morning. The lithium batteries in my remote thermometers are all sending the "low batt" message regardless that they are new batteries.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 13, 2024 22:25:50 GMT
Butanol can be used to fuel internal combustion engines, meaning either Electric powered or fossil fuel powered ICE isn't quite accurate.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 14, 2024 0:26:37 GMT
Perhaps you still do it? But what do they know? I do stuff. What I mean is when you were young. Many young people don't often think their parents were once young.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 14, 2024 0:37:51 GMT
Young children know what they're taught, and often enough they're far more observant than many adults give them credit for. Maybe as observant as we were when we were young? But what I meant was, young people, usually teenagers, forget that we know what they get up to, because we did also. Well, I hope they don't get up to anything worse.I'm not looking forward to the chill hitting here. A chance of wintry mix where it's rare isn't my idea of fun. I know how to negotiate driving on ice and snow, but most people in these here parts don't. I have no desire to see where someone who was driving 85 mph as if it were warm and sunny went off the road. In the UK we get many documentaries from Canada (and the USA) about the highway patrols, and also teams that go out and rescue drivers in the snow and ice. I find it amazing that most drivers there seem to drive on ice as if it's dry tarmac, with often the expected results. What is more amazing is while a wreck is being cleared up, vehicles are still driving past at crazy speeds, even when they cannot see more than 50 feet.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 14, 2024 0:48:59 GMT
I will say a prayer for you. Have backup heat sources in case the power goes out. Thank you! We heat with wood, so we'll keep warm as long as I've stocked enough wood. And, from the looks of it, we have plenty. Although last night I went thru a few arm fulls of it. Supposed to have another night like that tonight, but the forecast says it will start to get warmer after that. Retread-Retired-Cameron Yes, that winter driving is a real challenge when you have to deal with people who don't take the time to stop and consider that tires on ice do not respond the same way as bare, dry, asphalt. And I can just imagine how "up the creek" we would be out here if our Prime Minister got his way and forced us all into electric vehicles. How far is a battery car going to get in -35 C weather? Insanity. One of the problems with large lithium batteries is actually keeping them cool when charging or in use. In freezing conditions electric vehicles are not as efficient, but they do work. You can bet that the manufactures of them have thought about such things. But how far between charges do you want one to go for? It puzzles me when people moan, oh they only do 250 miles on a charge, but most people drive no more than a 50 mile round trip to work, then can simply recharge while asleep. (And apparently some company have just developed some material to make them 60% more efficient.)
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Jan 14, 2024 1:09:27 GMT
Butanol can be used to fuel internal combustion engines, meaning either Electric powered or fossil fuel powered ICE isn't quite accurate. Non-fossil fuel does not always mean non-carbon. But many things can be used to run a car that is adjusted to use it. Some cars can even run on 'water.' Although it's best just now to split the water in a large fuel cell and put the hydrogen in the car!
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davidatthegrove
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Post by davidatthegrove on Jan 14, 2024 4:21:28 GMT
And Kevin 2024 It's not just having to generate the energy to drive the vehicle, but to also keep the interior warm. At -30C a 20KM wind can turn that quickly into a -40C windchill. And you have to keep that heater going while you're stopped at the stop light, too. And out here here in Saskatchewan, many people have to travel from the rural country side to the town or city. So, that trip is anywhere between 40 to 100km for a lot of people. I've also read that, to get the best battery performance you should keep the car in a heated garage. So, rather than just having to use the electricity to plug in your car's block heater, now you have to use enough energy to heat an entire garage. And if you don't have a garage? What, you have to build one now? As for charging your car at home in the cold... check this headline out: edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/edmonton-weather-extreme-cold-prompts-electricity-grid-alert-saturday-sunday-morning-to-be-the-coldestCan you imagine if everyone had an electric car they had to charge once they got home for the evening? And they're talking about rolling blackouts... in winter.... at -40 to -50C!!! That's totally nuts, not to mention potentially deadly. (In case you're not aware, forced air gas furnaces also need electricity to run. So do those new geothermal heat pumps). So, unless you're like us with a wood stove, you don't got heat if you don't got electricity. And at these temperatures, in an hour your house is gonna start to get pretty cold. I just don't see as sixty percent in battery efficiency cutting it. Maybe on the coast or south of the border. But the climate is a fair bit harsher, out here on the prairie. Something the politicians in the Ottawa don't seem to understand.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 14, 2024 18:30:01 GMT
And Kevin 2024 It's not just having to generate the energy to drive the vehicle, but to also keep the interior warm. At -30C a 20KM wind can turn that quickly into a -40C windchill. And you have to keep that heater going while you're stopped at the stop light, too. And out here here in Saskatchewan, many people have to travel from the rural country side to the town or city. So, that trip is anywhere between 40 to 100km for a lot of people. I've also read that, to get the best battery performance you should keep the car in a heated garage. So, rather than just having to use the electricity to plug in your car's block heater, now you have to use enough energy to heat an entire garage. And if you don't have a garage? What, you have to build one now? As for charging your car at home in the cold... check this headline out: edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/edmonton-weather-extreme-cold-prompts-electricity-grid-alert-saturday-sunday-morning-to-be-the-coldestCan you imagine if everyone had an electric car they had to charge once they got home for the evening? And they're talking about rolling blackouts... in winter.... at -40 to -50C!!! That's totally nuts, not to mention potentially deadly. (In case you're not aware, forced air gas furnaces also need electricity to run. So do those new geothermal heat pumps). So, unless you're like us with a wood stove, you don't got heat if you don't got electricity. And at these temperatures, in an hour your house is gonna start to get pretty cold. I just don't see as sixty percent in battery efficiency cutting it. Maybe on the coast or south of the border. But the climate is a fair bit harsher, out here on the prairie. Something the politicians in the Ottawa don't seem to understand. We get the conserve energy messages every time there's a hot or cold snap, which as mentioned can have deadly consequences. Politicians apparently think weather related life-force-reduced-to-zero is a temporary condition.
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