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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 6, 2024 23:29:10 GMT
I was brought up where there was a lot of farming communities. Good grief, farm girls have seen it all from a very early age. And I won't even mention nurses' familiarity with the human body ...
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 6, 2024 23:38:01 GMT
One person's erotica is another's porn. The USA is quite strict on age ratings and why they fit in to such. (American film makers hate it, because it's far less strict in Europe. They say US age ratings ruin creativity and realism.) The ratings are mostly based on profanities, graphic sex, and violence (even just the mention of the latter two). Leave those out and it can be YA. In one of my books, the quiet, polite lady who is the main character, ends the book saying "f*** that!" Totally out of character so more telling of her opinion right then. Due to that one word, I had to place it at 'Adult'. Whoever fixes these rules have no idea about how people of any age actually speak! Especially nowadays where what used to be considered to be 'rude' words have entered in to everyday speech. There are certain parents in the US who think the only sex education schools should be teaching kids abstinence is the only option before marriage, parents who are later shocked when their kid gets pregnant are gets someone pregnant. And yes, there are many adults in the US with a puritanical attitude in public, who swear it wasn't them drinking, gambling, or paying sex workers.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 6, 2024 23:41:30 GMT
I was brought up where there was a lot of farming communities. Good grief, farm girls have seen it all from a very early age. And I won't even mention nurses' familiarity with the human body ... I understand all too well.
I also understand how quickly a prude in the US will raise a stink about something. Better to err on the side of caution than have to deal with the blow-back.
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Post by potet on May 7, 2024 13:11:16 GMT
YA or Young Adult books target ages 12 to 18, and NA or New Adult books target ages 18 to 25. Your book's title translated to English is "Persuasion then Penetration". Kids in the US do take French classes though Spanish, Mandarin, or Japanese might be more practical. You might want to consider changing the book category to Adult, otherwise a parent out there might complain about their kid taking French getting a copy and learning about something they don't want their kid to know until the kid is 35-years-old. Thanks for the piece of advice. Well, 12 to 18 is "adolescents / teenagers" in Europe, definitely not "young adults". Whatever, we just write "18+" in English and "interdit aux moins de 18 ans" in French (forbidden to people under 18). The book being in French, it is the latter warning that is displayed on the back cover.
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Post by potet on May 7, 2024 13:30:08 GMT
I remember when the spouse and I did a quick explanation of the basic facts of life for our daughters: "Quand un homme et une femme s'aiment, ils reçoivent une bouteille d'alcool et une chambre de motel bon marché". They laughed at the English version and said they'd heard enough: When a man and woman love each other they get a bottle of liquor and a cheap motel room". Plus, they've seen feral cats in action. Even in Spanish it's worth a laugh: "Cuando un hombre y una mujer se aman, obtienen una botella de licor y una habitación de motel barata." LOL The French quotation must be Canadian because it sounds so American ... probably because I don't think we have ever had motels in Europe. Because of WWII, I lived until the age of 8 in a village near a large river where my paternal grand-parents had bought a small farm in order to supply their familly with eggs, chicken, fresh-water fish, butter, vegetables, fruit, etc. I started attending the village school at the age of 6. We were about 20 pupils and co-ed. Sometimes, all of us met in a barn and examined one another's genitals. Of course, my penis was very small, and I was quite worried about it when I compared it with the bigger, pubescent boys'. They assured me I'd have the same penis when I was their age (13), so I ceased to worry about it. Also observing animals, and young couples behind hedges we knew everything about sex. When I was brought back to the city at the age of 8. I was amazed at the ignorance of the other kids in the boys' school. Some even believed cows gave birth to a calf through their anus! LOL
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 7, 2024 13:55:58 GMT
YA or Young Adult books target ages 12 to 18, and NA or New Adult books target ages 18 to 25. Your book's title translated to English is "Persuasion then Penetration". Kids in the US do take French classes though Spanish, Mandarin, or Japanese might be more practical. You might want to consider changing the book category to Adult, otherwise a parent out there might complain about their kid taking French getting a copy and learning about something they don't want their kid to know until the kid is 35-years-old. Thanks for the piece of advice. Well, 12 to 18 is "adolescents / teenagers" in Europe, definitely not "young adults". Whatever, we just write "18+" in English and "interdit aux moins de 18 ans" in French (forbidden to people under 18). The book being in French, it is the latter warning that is displayed on the back cover. The 12 to 18 age range is adolescent to teen here as well, I believe the term Young Adult is more about them starting to come of age. Something about them learning about the world and their place in it comes to mind.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 7, 2024 14:06:38 GMT
I remember when the spouse and I did a quick explanation of the basic facts of life for our daughters: "Quand un homme et une femme s'aiment, ils reçoivent une bouteille d'alcool et une chambre de motel bon marché". They laughed at the English version and said they'd heard enough: When a man and woman love each other they get a bottle of liquor and a cheap motel room". Plus, they've seen feral cats in action. Even in Spanish it's worth a laugh: "Cuando un hombre y una mujer se aman, obtienen una botella de licor y una habitación de motel barata." LOL The French quotation must be Canadian because it sounds so American ... probably because I don't think we have ever had motels in Europe. Because of WWII, I lived until the age of 8 in a village near a large river where my paternal grand-parents had bought a small farm in order to supply their familly with eggs, chicken, fresh-water fish, butter, vegetables, fruit, etc. I started attending the village school at the age of 6. We were about 20 pupils and co-ed. Sometimes, all of us met in a barn and examined one another's genitals. Of course, my penis was very small, and I was quite worried about it when I compared it with the bigger, pubescent boys'. They assured me I'd have the same penis when I was their age (13), so I ceased to worry about it. Also observing animals, and young couples behind hedges we knew everything about sex. When I was brought back to the city at the age of 8. I was amazed at the ignorance of the other kids in the boys' school. Some even believed cows gave birth to a calf through their anus! LOL Ah, the reason the French version sounds American is because I used a translation app since I can't read or write French. I speak Spanish better than I write it, so I checked my grammar on that as well.
As I recall the term motel derived from the motor-courts which started to spring up in the US during the 1920s to serve the needs of travelers using those newfangled automobiles. Usually one to two stories in height, fewer amenities, with a lower cost associated though a motel in the middle of nowhere will at times charge as much as a nice hotel in a city.
Kids learn from their peers, and often it isn't accurate.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2024 23:14:34 GMT
We certainly have motels in Europe, they are just not called that. Often they simply go by a brand name (not Bates though) and people know what they are because they advertise the brand on the TV. I don't think there are any independent ones.
YA is mainly a term invented to classify books by. Actual 'coming of age' is not the same in every country. As the age of consent is not the same everywhere (in Japan it was 13 until very recently). In the UK that becoming an 'adult' used to be 21 and called Getting the Key to the Door. It was reduced to 18. That's the age you don't need to ask parents' permission to get married for example, and you get the right to vote. And yet you can join the Armed Forces at 16 and be trained to kill. Go figure ...
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Post by potet on May 8, 2024 11:42:18 GMT
In France, we are of age at 18. When I started working at 19, it was still at 21. As I was a minor I couldn't be legally paid. For me to get my money, my parents had to emancipate me at the nearest tribunal.
Here, the age of sexual consent is 15. Some people would like it to be 18, others as soon as you are pubescent - for the latter, the snag is that, curiously enough, puberty is not a legal concept in France!
From time to time puritan associations, some supported by US religious movements, place complaints against young men who have sex with teenage girls over 15 in order to deter normal people, but, so far, to no avail.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 8, 2024 16:22:25 GMT
"Coming of Age" is often considered when a person has attained legal age or age of majority, however that isn't the only definition. The term can refer to when someone should know right from wrong: the age range of 5 to 15-years-of-age is one scale though if someone hasn't figured it out by age 12 something may be going wrong. Puberty is another, a range of 8 to 13-years-old for girls and 9 to 14-years-old for boys, though it can happen earlier or later and in rare cases not at all. The youngest person to give birth was 5 years 7 months 21 days old when her baby was delivered by Caeserean.
Age of consent, another coming of age, varies by country and at times province / state within a country. as well as by whether or not someone is legally incapable of making such a decision due to mental illness or mental / physical defect. Some countries have no age of consent as people must be married before having sexual relations.
Age to vote, drink alcohol, enter contracts, serve in the military, marry, and criminal responsibility, all vary as well by country and at times province / state.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 16, 2024 23:35:06 GMT
Coming of Age almost always has a legal definition stuck to it.
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