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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 9:28:45 GMT
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Post by adrianallan on Apr 13, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
Ha ha very funny
I personally think this situation has gone on for too long and look forward to it being over.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 13, 2020 16:17:12 GMT
I liked the clip.
Hopefully the Governor of this fine state will issue an executive order soon lifting restrictions, sending people back to work, and school, all the things that make the top 10% of society happy because they're making money off the backs of people who literally can't afford to get sick.
It should be interesting watching the virus resurge and really start to kick butt as the death toll mounts all so the already wealthy can get even wealthier. Good fodder for a novel.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 14, 2020 14:52:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 5:51:40 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 15, 2020 12:44:36 GMT
All I've seen were movie versions. I believe the last one had Anne Hathaway in it, Les Mis I think it was.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 16, 2020 23:22:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 13:43:28 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 17, 2020 14:17:03 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 19, 2020 18:19:03 GMT
The spouse had a novel way of explaining to the middle child [turning four in two months] why it didn't matter that she dressed up like Captain Underpants, she wasn't going bye-bye to the store; "because Daddy doesn't get to go anywhere today and he's sad."
I had to "cry" to make it believable and got smacked by my daughter as a reward.
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Post by benziger on Apr 24, 2020 7:52:06 GMT
Hopefully the Governor of this fine state will issue an executive order soon lifting restrictions, sending people back to work, and school, all the things that make the top 10% of society happy because they're making money off the backs of people who literally can't afford to get sick. I think the situation is tricky. To many questions!
Neither is desirable. How do we find the balance between prosperity and health?
Especially when the situation is not the same for everyone?
- Some can work well from home. (e.g. office man versus restaurant owner)
- Others belong to a risk group. (e.g. age, health)
- In some countries everyone has health insurance, in others there is free health service, and yet in others everyone has to see how they can pay for it.
- Is there unemployment insurance?
- Is there short-time work compensation or are you simply put on the street?
The situation varies from country to country and even there from family to family. Quite clearly: I don't want to have to decide.
Example: Our son sees his grandparents every day, because they live on the same plot of land. No problem thanks to quarantine (although actually forbidden). But what if the school starts again in 2 1/2 weeks and he is crowded together with 20 other children in one room? Will he infect his grandparents? |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 24, 2020 12:25:54 GMT
Hopefully the Governor of this fine state will issue an executive order soon lifting restrictions, sending people back to work, and school, all the things that make the top 10% of society happy because they're making money off the backs of people who literally can't afford to get sick. I think the situation is tricky. To many questions!
Neither is desirable. How do we find the balance between prosperity and health?
Especially when the situation is not the same for everyone?
- Some can work well from home. (e.g. office man versus restaurant owner)
- Others belong to a risk group. (e.g. age, health)
- In some countries everyone has health insurance, in others there is free health service, and yet in others everyone has to see how they can pay for it.
- Is there unemployment insurance?
- Is there short-time work compensation or are you simply put on the street?
The situation varies from country to country and even there from family to family. Quite clearly: I don't want to have to decide.
Example: Our son sees his grandparents every day, because they live on the same plot of land. No problem thanks to quarantine (although actually forbidden). But what if the school starts again in 2 1/2 weeks and he is crowded together with 20 other children in one room? Will he infect his grandparents? Herr Benziger,
You've kind of touched on the point I was making about the U.S. in general, i.e.: the social safety net is basically nonexistent for lots of people here yet those wanting to reopen quickly focus on the money first and the people a distant second. The reason behind it is a poor grasps of economics where money is the only measure even though a good 70% of the economy here is based on consumer spending.
At a point in time where the U.S. mortality rate from COVID-19 has essentially hit 5.75% [number of fatalities divided by number of known cases] some people are saying the virus has been beaten, the curve was flattened, let's open things up. The problem is the only reason the curve hasn't been worse was due to mitigating the virus' spread which prevented medical resources from being overwhelmed. Which is better, limiting the deaths to under 100,000 and having some economic fallout, or to let it spread unchecked resulting in millions of deaths and even greater social and economic fallout? A lot of conservatives in this country seem to prefer the second option because free market capitalism "fixes" every issue.
Perhaps it's long past time for civilization to consider a different economic model.
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Post by benziger on Apr 24, 2020 21:49:44 GMT
At a point in time where the U.S. mortality rate from COVID-19 has essentially hit 5.75% [number of fatalities divided by number of known cases] some people are saying the virus has been beaten, the curve was flattened, let's open things up. That's an interesting number. For us, on the other hand, everything was closed (except grocery stores and pharmacies) until the figure dropped to 1%. Since then, the revival has been taking place gradually every two weeks. (It's nothing new. Different countries, different customs.) Perhaps it's long past time for civilization to consider a different economic model. You may not have to change the world, but you might have to move. Sweden, for example, is very socialist. Almost everything is paid for by the state, but the taxes are extremely high. In Central Europe there are many social market economies. There, entrepreneurs voluntarily choose to be fair to their employees (or what they have negotiated as fair) to prevent the state from regulating more. (Again: Different countries, different customs.) |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 24, 2020 22:00:34 GMT
At a point in time where the U.S. mortality rate from COVID-19 has essentially hit 5.75% [number of fatalities divided by number of known cases] some people are saying the virus has been beaten, the curve was flattened, let's open things up. That's an interesting number. For us, on the other hand, everything was closed (except grocery stores and pharmacies) until the figure dropped to 1%. Since then, the revival has been taking place gradually every two weeks. (It's nothing new. Different countries, different customs.) Perhaps it's long past time for civilization to consider a different economic model. You may not have to change the world, but you might have to move. Sweden, for example, is very socialist. Almost everything is paid for by the state, but the taxes are extremely high. In Central Europe there are many social market economies. There, entrepreneurs voluntarily choose to be fair to their employees (or what they have negotiated as fair) to prevent the state from regulating more. (Again: Different countries, different customs.) Herr Benziger,
Until the world changes, the lowest common denominator will drive life and death,
When I hear conservatives, libertarians, and centrist democrats or democratic socialists in the U.S. speak on economics and society, the usual translation is from a movie my kids love. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKuxfcSrEU
European [African, Asian, Australian, and South American] societies do not live in isolation, and what happens here affects everyone. Ignoring such is perilous, though for what it's worth I don't know much. I'm the "fool" of the family after all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 4:56:47 GMT
I'm the "fool" of the family after all.
I could never understand why people think because a person hasn't a string of letters after his name he's not clever. Some of my friends never had the opportunity to go to unuversities but they are very intelligent. In fact some of the members of my writing group were not given the opportunity of further education but they have had books, articles and poems published. They are very clever. Sphinx-Cameron it's a shame your birth family see you as the "fool". I know your wife and cildren don't, nor do people who interact with you.
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