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Post by benziger on May 10, 2020 15:34:48 GMT
"according to your 'what's new' announcement, the photo studio is retired, and 3 of the photo book sizes will no longer be available. That is so - all of my 10+ photo books, which were created with a lot of effort, have vanished as they have been created with the wizzard of the photo studio in exactly those sizes. This means ... upload individual photos/images to the pre-designed spaces on the pages.
While I appreciate changes to systems, I am apalled at simply having been at the mercy of someone just tossing away my work. They do not exist as a PDF - they exist solely as a digital file in Lulu's servers.
Where does that leave me with copyright? Does Lulu now own those books? Once a digital file has been uploaded somewhere, the backups will surely hold them for a loooong time. What will happen to those files?
The books are no longer accessible to me, neither are the files for them. What does Lulu intend to do with them? I have paid a lot of money for a copy of those art and photography books - so Lulu has made money, but I am just left with much wasted effort and time, for nothing to show - except the knowledge that Lulu has all of my work, but I cannot access it. I need an explanation for this." As Lulu will probabely delete the treat tonight again, I copied here and also the answer, an user gave: "I would ask the support. Not if you can get a backup, but how do you can get a backup." I think, that is a clever idea. Not ask if, but just how to get a backup. As they are always telling nothing is lost, there are backups... You have to fight for your bird books and the others!
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 5, 2020 23:16:53 GMT
Hrmm. Lulu once owned a site for poetry. Eventually it was closed down and vanished along with 1000s of people's input.
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Post by sirram on Aug 6, 2020 9:19:55 GMT
Some years ago, I thought of putting a photo book together. Lulu's templates at the time weren't suitable so I never ran into this problem with Lulu. However, I then had a look at Jessops. They were a large chain of camera shops with also an on-line photo-book facility. So, I created an account and started building my book (drag-and-drop + text etc.) Great templates and a very nice UI.
But, after building a couple of pages, I looked around for the backup button. There wasn't one. "What if they go bust?", I thought - and duly abandoned my project. Ironically, Jessops did file for bankruptcy just a few months later.
I never did get round to building my picture book. Can anyone recommend a good site?
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 6, 2020 20:12:37 GMT
Hrmm. Lulu once owned a site for poetry. Eventually it was closed down and vanished along with 1000s of people's input. Does no one keep backup files for themselves?!? |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 7, 2020 1:29:28 GMT
Jessops still exist. They even have a few shops still. photo.jessops.com/product-category/photo-books/?photobookJNavPeter Jones of Dragon's Den fame bought them out and moved them mostly to on line. But, like many places you can upload photos to to be turned in to albums etc., they are single use only. They don't expect people to want to save them on line, but just to have them printed and mailed. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 7, 2020 1:32:16 GMT
Hrmm. Lulu once owned a site for poetry. Eventually it was closed down and vanished along with 1000s of people's input. Does no one keep backup files for themselves?!? |
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Post by ronmiller on Aug 7, 2020 17:11:46 GMT
Does no one keep backup files for themselves?!? That certainly would have made some sense! I would never send off the one and only copy of anything to a website. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 8, 2020 1:17:29 GMT
I never did get round to building my picture book. Can anyone recommend a good site? What is its purpose? Is it just for your own use? I don't recall Photo Books on Lulu being able to have ISBNs, but you could create them and sell them on Lulu itself.
But if it's just for you, or to give a few copies to friends also, there's too many places to mention that you can do it at. Even at physical places like ASDA and Tescos (in the UK) and on their sites.
But here are just a few well known on line places
www.photobox.co.uk/shop/photo-books
www.snapfish.co.uk/photo-books |
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Aug 8, 2020 7:59:26 GMT
Apparently not, But I think it was a site that people typed directly to. Not a publishing site. But even so, I bet they could have typed it in notepad or whatever, saved that, then copy and pasted the text to the site. People just don't think. I mean, the internet is always there is it not ? ... That certainly would have made some sense! I would never send off the one and only copy of anything to a website. I was always of the impression that ANYTHING sent from a computer to somewhere (whether via email, upload to a website, or into the clouds) is ALWAYS a copy, and the original stays on the 'home' computer. Or is there a case where the 'original' on the 'home' computer simply vanishes, is being sucked into the void without a trace? I mean, a hand-written original, of which there is only one piece of paper (the original), can become lost if you post it without having made a copy for yourself first (hence the invention of 'carbon copy' in the age of typewriter). |
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Post by sirram on Aug 8, 2020 9:31:04 GMT
The point about photo books (well at least what I was looking for) was to find a good template where one could drag-and-drop (yes, copy) ones photos - and then enter the accompanying text into text boxes - where ideally everything could be dragged around.
So, I wasn't looking for a backup of my photos or text. I wanted to back up the resultant photo-book, as laying out all the pages was going to be many hours of work.
In my case, I used Jessops until I realised there was no back-up. Then, as previously said, they filed for bankruptcy. They did later re-emerge but I had a go at logging on to my account just now. Jessops no longer recognises me - which means, if I had built a photo-book there, it would presumably by now have been lost.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 9, 2020 1:01:06 GMT
That certainly would have made some sense! I would never send off the one and only copy of anything to a website. I was always of the impression that ANYTHING sent from a computer to somewhere (whether via email, upload to a website, or into the clouds) is ALWAYS a copy, and the original stays on the 'home' computer. Or is there a case where the 'original' on the 'home' computer simply vanishes, is being sucked into the void without a trace? I mean, a hand-written original, of which there is only one piece of paper (the original), can become lost if you post it without having made a copy for yourself first (hence the invention of 'carbon copy' in the age of typewriter).
It's like this forum I suppose. |
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 9, 2020 1:16:12 GMT
The point about photo books (well at least what I was looking for) was to find a good template where one could drag-and-drop (yes, copy) ones photos - and then enter the accompanying text into text boxes - where ideally everything could be dragged around. So, I wasn't looking for a backup of my photos or text. I wanted to back up the resultant photo-book, as laying out all the pages was going to be many hours of work. In my case, I used Jessops until I realised there was no back-up. Then, as previously said, they filed for bankruptcy. They did later re-emerge but I had a go at logging on to my account just now. Jessops no longer recognises me - which means, if I had built a photo-book there, it would presumably by now have been lost.
It's always best to be fully prepared before you start to upload stuff though so it does not take long to create.
As to trusting places to be around long enough to create a book or whatever. You were just unlucky with Jessops. They had been around since 1935. It was just a sign of the times that their shops became unprofitable. Some places leave it too late to create an on line option.
But right now it's even worse, with major establishments that have been around for decades, if not 100s of years, falling like flies because they have had no customers for months.
photolemur.com/blog/best-photo-books
www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=202070130
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Post by benziger on Aug 9, 2020 20:47:44 GMT
The point about photo books (well at least what I was looking for) was to find a good template where one could drag-and-drop (yes, copy) ones photos - and then enter the accompanying text into text boxes - where ideally everything could be dragged around.
I had just a quick look. The say having templates and you can "publish to web, Mac, burn it onto CD/DVD
or USB flash drives, distribute it on public." I understand "burn to CD or USB", that you can save it to your PC as well.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 10, 2020 0:59:16 GMT
That does look interesting, but seems just for interactive ebooks, not for printed.
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