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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 14:46:32 GMT
I read a book about six months ago, shocking at first because it is about a love relation between a thirteen year old girl and a twenty-five year old man. Once I got over the initial discomfort and confusion I simply enjoyed the absolute beauty and majesty of it.
The story, I suspect, based on the author blurb, is partly biographical. So what is one to do if their own story is indecent, and yet they want to tell it?
Anyway, here is the book.
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Post by BlueAndGold on Jun 8, 2020 15:32:19 GMT
In some cultures, 13-year old girls are almost old maids. That would be normal and acceptable. Who is to judge? Lulu employees' sensitivities? Not Lulu's job. Just print the books.
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Post by Goneiswinter on Jun 8, 2020 16:20:15 GMT
Yes in many cultures younger girls are chosen as wives. Not because of perversion but because it gives the couple more time to produce children. Usually the male has already established his farm and needs sons to help keep things going. This custom was in the US up until a few decades ago. I agree Lulu stick to printing and keep social issues to your self. You know most of their employees are college grads and age so lots of problems there.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jun 8, 2020 16:31:44 GMT
Miss Maggie,
I've seen a lot of people get really uncomfortable about age differences in relationships [even when the individuals involved are legally married, in a healthy relationship, no coercion or abuse involved], and some of those people feel really free to make inflammatory comments.
Last time I checked, in Argentina as long as the 25-year-old wasn't in a position of authority over the 13-year-old it wouldn't be considered a big deal.
In the US state of Mississippi the age of consent [as in unlimited contact] is 16, while the age of majority and the age of marriage is 21 [the exceptions on marriage, females aged 15 to just under 21 and males aged 17 to just under 21 can marry with parental consent].
The subject matter including its context and a thoroughly impartial objective analysis thereof is the only way to determine the book's relative decency and intent.
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Post by potet on Jun 8, 2020 16:48:46 GMT
My only bout in the field of sexuality is my "Genitality in Tagalog", a social study mainly based on the vocabulary I found in old Tagalog-Spanish dictionaries. The lexicographers, Spanish Roman Catholic monks, entered many terms concerning sex because these were needed for confession. Having also collected examples of modern usage over the internet, I signaled Lulu the contents was sexually explicit. The book is still distributed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 17:09:22 GMT
Miss Maggie, I've seen a lot of people get really uncomfortable about age differences in relationships [even when the individuals involved are legally married, in a healthy relationship, no coercion or abuse involved], and some of those people feel really free to make inflammatory comments. Last time I checked, in Argentina as long as the 25-year-old wasn't in a position of authority over the 13-year-old it wouldn't be considered a big deal. In the US state of Mississippi the age of consent [as in unlimited contact] is 16, while the age of majority and the age of marriage is 21 [the exceptions on marriage, females aged 15 to just under 21 and males aged 17 to just under 21 can marry with parental consent]. The subject matter including its context and a thoroughly impartial objective analysis thereof is the only way to determine the book's relative decency and intent. Yes, and that would entail reading it, and even then be subject to Lulu employees' sensibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 17:10:56 GMT
My only bout in the field of sexuality is my "Genitality in Tagalog", a social study mainly based on the vocabulary I found in old Tagalog-Spanish dictionaries. The lexicographers, Spanish Roman Catholic monks, entered many terms concerning sex because these were needed for confession. Having also collected examples of modern usage over the internet, I signaled Lulu the contents was sexually explicit. The book is still distributed. Glad to hear that. However, things are changing. Be on the alert.
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Post by ronmiller on Jun 8, 2020 17:48:29 GMT
To answer your question: "So what is one to do if their own story is indecent, and yet they want to tell it?"
Well, a lot depends on how a story is told. Look at Lolita, for instance.
There would certainly be a big difference between a book that did nothing but dwell with lasciviously clinical detail on the sex and one that used those situations artfully and to a purpose.
There are lots of options other than Lulu. For instance, there are countless small presses and one may take your story. And there are a large number of publishers that specialize in erotica, pornography and subjects other publishers may consider "fringe."
By the way, I notice that "All the Ugly and Wonderful Things" was published by a traditional publisher, so that is certainly one way.
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Post by benziger on Jun 8, 2020 18:41:02 GMT
My only bout in the field of sexuality is my "Genitality in Tagalog", a social study mainly based on the vocabulary I found in old Tagalog-Spanish dictionaries. The lexicographers, Spanish Roman Catholic monks, entered many terms concerning sex because these were needed for confession. Having also collected examples of modern usage over the internet, I signaled Lulu the contents was sexually explicit. The book is still distributed. Glad to hear that. However, things are changing. Be on the alert. What world do we live in when linguistic studies or dictionaries are no longer allowed to be published? It is correct that such publications may contain a corresponding note. But otherwise?
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jun 8, 2020 19:22:57 GMT
Glad to hear that. However, things are changing. Be on the alert. What world do we live in when linguistic studies or dictionaries are no longer allowed to be published? It is correct that such publications may contain a corresponding note. But otherwise? Herr Benziger,
The world we live in is one where faux-outrage gets a lot more attention than the issues actually plaguing humanity.
When you see someone who is obviously of mixed ancestry get excoriated over their "white privilege" because they're considered "too white" [and I've actually witnessed that], maybe it's time for people to take a step back and reexamine their assumptions and biases.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 23:33:53 GMT
Glad to hear that. However, things are changing. Be on the alert. What world do we live in when linguistic studies or dictionaries are no longer allowed to be published? It is correct that such publications may contain a corresponding note. But otherwise? I think if you open that can of worms it is going to lead to extreme censorship, where common speech, books and ideas will no longer exist.
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Post by ronmiller on Jun 9, 2020 11:37:49 GMT
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