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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 9:15:04 GMT
Do you wear a poppy on Nov 11th-- Remembrance Day? If you do this information given by a military man selling poppies might be interesting.
"You should wear the poppy on the right side; the red represents the blood of all those who gave their lives, the black represents the mourning of those who didn't have their loved ones return home, and the green leaf represents the grass and crops growing and future prosperity after the war destroyed so much. The leaf should be positioned at 11 o'clock to represent the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, the time that World War One formally ended. "
I had absolutely no idea that the poppy had to be worn in a particular way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 9:37:40 GMT
I think this poem by Wilfred Owen, who was killed in the war, paints a very clear picture of the horrors encounterd by the soldiers during World War 1.
Dulce Et Decorum Est
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!– An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.–
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
For those who don't know Latin here is the meaning of the last 2 lines. Dulcē et decōrum est prō patriā mōrī is a line from the Odes by the Roman lyric poet Horace. The line translates: "It is sweet and fitting to die for the homeland." Owen explores in his poetry the horror and futility of war.
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Post by sirram on Nov 4, 2020 11:14:44 GMT
Do you wear a poppy on Nov 11th-- Remembrance Day? If you do this information given by a military man selling poppies might be interesting. "You should wear the poppy on the right side ...I had absolutely no idea that the poppy had to be worn in a particular way. As far as I know, in the UK at least, the poppy is worn on the left side. This is supported by numerous images of Remembrance Sunday on the Internet. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 14:51:54 GMT
Recapping the above (right side) it was supposed to apply to women. Then I got this, "How to wear it: Many say on the left, symbolising that you keep those who died close to your heart. It's also where military medals are worn. Others say men should wear it on the left and women on the right, like you would a badge or brooch. However, the Queen wears hers on the left.
Yes sirram I got this on google. "You should wear your poppy on the left side to symbolise those who were lost as being close to our hearts. Armistice Day is always held on November 11 as this is the day World War I ended. Every year Remembrance Sunday is always held on the weekend so everyone has the chance to pay their respect,"
Then I also got this from the British legion "There is no ‘correct’ way to wear a poppy.
It’s a matter of personal choice whether someone chooses to wear a poppy and how they choose to wear it.
The best way to wear a poppy is simply with pride.
Who knows who is right.. I just pin my poppy on me in a convenient spot.
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Post by sirram on Nov 5, 2020 20:02:46 GMT
I think this poem by Wilfred Owen, who was killed in the war, paints a very clear picture of the horrors encounterd by the soldiers during World War 1. Dulce Et Decorum Est
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For those who don't know Latin here is the meaning of the last 2 lines. Dulcē et decōrum est prō patriā mōrī is a line from the Odes by the Roman lyric poet Horace. The line translates: "It is sweet and fitting to die for the homeland." Owen explores in his poetry the horror and futility of war. Very interesting. Wikipedia translates that particular stanza as: "What joy, for fatherland to die! "Death's darts e'en flying feet o'ertake, "Nor spare a recreant chivalry, "A back that cowers, or loins that quake." But, of course, there are numerous other translations. A cousin of mine who died in 1945 used to, as a pastime, translate Greek and Latin texts into English. Some were published, including his translation of "The Odes of Horace". Suffice to say he was far brainier than me. He always wanted his own translations to be poetic so, in the above case, his own translation was: "To die for home is sweet and fair; "Death overtakes the man who flees, "Nor pities youth, nor think to spare "The coward back, the craven knees." I rather like my late cousin's version, but no doubt I'm biased - and I certainly have no intention of having a go at this myself. (Or maybe I will!). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 5:20:11 GMT
It's interesting that what one person may see as bravery, perhaps another may perceive as cruel or stupid. Wilfred Owen wrote many poems about World War1. He wanted to tell the truth about 'the pity of War'. He had a sense of obligation and wanted to bear witness to what really was happening. One can see this from the poem above. Rupert Brooke on the other hand in his famous poem "The Soldier" was more romantic and extremely patriotic. He suggested that the men who had fought and died for their country were "the best and bravest of Englishmen."
The Soldier.
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there’s some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England’s, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
I personally hate the idea of war but then I remember World War 11. If we hadn't stopped that crazy, evil man Hitler, his frightening vision was the sequel to a victorious World War II followed by World War III, then World War IV, and so on—until Germany had conquered the entire globe.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Nov 11, 2020 23:08:21 GMT
I missed honoring the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, but to those who fought and bought a farm or those who made it back at least in part; Semper Praesto Et Servire.
Whether you call it Remembrance Day, Armistice Day, or Veterans' Day, remember those young or old who went into harm's way regardless of the side they were on because many literally had no choice.
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