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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 21:05:39 GMT
Ok, I read it actually. And it goes, "Write a bad novel." That gives you no pressure at all. So, you just write. If it said write a bad first novel, that would be pressure and cause fear and what ifs. But a bad novel? I can try.
What's your advice to me? I am going for number two in April. The first one just happened. I can't take credit nor did I learn anything from it except that life makes for a good book.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 21, 2020 21:30:12 GMT
Okay, first define a bad novel. Per Marcykennedy dot com marcykennedy.com/2016/01/6-qualities-of-bad-writing/1] Flawed writing on a sentence level 2] A slow plot 3] Low stakes 4] A predictable plot 5] Flat characters 6] No emotional resonance Then add in perspective. Some books become bestsellers with one or more items on the list, but I can't recall one bestseller with all the items that didn't have someone with a large bankroll doing some variant of bulk-buying. Writing a bad novel is fairly easy -- taking a bad novel and redeeming it is another matter entirely. My take is if there is no pressure, then there is nothing to write about. Think of it like bringing a life into the world. Will the child [novel] make it to term? Lots of novels don't get beyond the initial premise. Will the child [novel] have defects, either genetic or those developed en utero? Some novels are so flawed your best use for them is starting a campfire. Will the child [novel] make it to term but suffer from SIDS [unforeseen defect that terminates life in early stages]? Some novels keep you going until some point near midway and then leave you going, what happened? If the child [novel] survives, will it be healthy [or suffer from so many defects it will never have a functional life]? Consider this the Ted Bundy [or insert psychopath of choice here] of novels, at first it appears normal but by the end it has unraveled enough to be considered psychotic. Ultimately my advice would be write a good novel, then work to make it better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 22:44:24 GMT
You're right. A bad novel sounds shameful. I want round charcters, memorable and unpredicatble, who will teach me something, shake the world I live in, alter me forever. I want to write a book that I can reread over and over and not be able to believe I wrote it. I want to write a novel that will be read in a hundred years thus making me immortal.
That would be a better title for any thread. Write a novel that will make you immortal.
You're very convincing and motivating, Cameron. And you made me want to write.
How do you come up with your ideas? I do not know what to write about. And it must be this April.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 21, 2020 23:06:18 GMT
How do I come up with my ideas? Would you believe I'm cursed? Or is it more plausible I have an overdeveloped prefrontal / visual cortex due to childhood injury and adaptation to same?
All I know is I start telling myself a story as I go to sleep, and as I tell it to myself I start to 'see' it, then the characters take over and control the narrative. I can let a story sit for years then get back into it by reading what's done [even if only notes].
Think of old Greek / Roman myths, consider First Nations' myths, consider differing stories from different cultures [including The Time of Legend if you know them], then start to tell yourself a story as you go to sleep and see what the characters come up with. That, at least, is how stories take on a life of their own with me.
What works for me may or may not work for others.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 2:12:37 GMT
That's actually a good idea. I read your response earlier on my phone without logging in and thought, I'm going to do that. I go to sleep, and ask, you know Who, for the next step. I actually got my inspiration for the multi-language prayer series like that. Your idea isn't quite the same, but close.
Count your huge enormous blessing. People would pay for that. In fact, I remember watching a movie where a writer made some kind of deal with the darker forces so that he could write his next novel, and it whipped out of his fingers onto the typewriter. Can't remember what happened next, but I'm sure it wasn't good.
As I'm typing I realize that your response has actually clarified things for me, I will use my Resource and sleep on it.
Regarding the multi-language series, I woke in the morning with the word Mandarin in my brain. And that was it.
Different stories from different cultures and different points of view. Sometimes if the story doesn't quite fit, you can flip it. I have two characters and a children's story in my mind, but something has been off so I've delayed writing it for years. I need to flip the character roles. Another story took me six years to finish. I finally had the insight to frame it. A simple little thing made a world of difference.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 14:18:47 GMT
Sometimes a word is all it takes.
A Mandarin orange is a small fruit that is among the most toughest of sweet oranges, very cold-hardy and drought-tolerant.
A Mandarin in Imperial China was a bureaucratic scholar in government service.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 15:58:45 GMT
I only thought of language at the time. But there you go, different minds, different inspiration.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 16:23:44 GMT
As a language you could say Mandarin Chinese started out as the language of Imperial China's academia and bureaucracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 17:32:36 GMT
Ohh, so it's for the rich folk. I doubt many are Christian. And my book is Christian, but then again JesusNinja said they were originally monotheistic.
Back to the gore, did you see the movie Beloved? The mother sawed her kid's necks. Anyway.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 17:52:32 GMT
I've butchered animals for cooking, so I can pass on 'Beloved'.
The Mandarin system of bureaucracy was replaced by the civil service after the Chinese Communist Party took over mainland China. The rich people in the PRC are a more recent development.
As for the Chinese readers, the PRC tends to restrict access to Western books on 'subversive' subjects.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 20:15:53 GMT
That's too bad. I would have liked them to buy my book. You never know though, things change and the future is long. We do really well on parallel conversations. And low tier (mine) and high tier (yours). Very enjoyable. You know, this would make a great book. I did that once to someone. Memorized every word he said and put it in a book. Be careful.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 22, 2020 23:45:31 GMT
Change is inevitable, all you have to do is be patient and wait for it, at least when it comes to countries on the other side of the world.
When it comes to conversations I tend to try to adjust to those I'm talking with, no point using terms people don't understand. Tends to unnerve people in the medical profession, but that's on them.
At any rate I'd make a boring person to write a book about, and most people wouldn't find me believable so best not to waste your time on that project.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 13:29:40 GMT
haha Ok, no book then. But you don't scare easily. Most people would have freaked with that comment.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Jan 23, 2020 15:56:58 GMT
I don't freak out a lot, never saw it help people when they did it.
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