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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 20, 2021 13:19:18 GMT
I feel the need to buy a copy of Writer's Market. Then again it might not help with my idea of getting at least one novel Traditionally Published.
While it's quite likely the global pandemic has prompted a lot more people to write and submit work, some things haven't changed.
For every publishing house which states it's looking for new authors writing original work the response from them [at least for me] tends to be essentially best of luck with another publisher. I find it oddly humorous that over the last sixteen years the responses are essentially unchanged.
I suppose it's time for me to get back to work outside as life has priorities.
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Post by Ken on Apr 20, 2021 14:37:55 GMT
 Are you letting that mask slip again?. That seems to be a slightly sad message. Is really important to have something traditionally published when you have so many other riches in life? I suggest that if you have just one group of readers who appreciate your work and peculiar talent it should be sufficient reward.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 20, 2021 17:58:15 GMT
Are you letting that mask slip again?. That seems to be a slightly sad message. Is really important to have something traditionally published when you have so many other riches in life? I suggest that if you have just one group of readers who appreciate your work and peculiar talent it should be sufficient reward. I'm not sure which mask you're referring to. I'm also not sure I need to know.
Regarding riches in life, suffice it to say I do appreciate what the spouse and I share while also appreciating what both of us have sacrificed in getting to a somewhat less precarious state of existence.
Perhaps I'd like to have more readers via utilizing a Traditional Publisher doing marketing / advertising rather than having to pay for it myself.
One thing I used to stress: With predictive trend analysis one should always set aside what is assumed and look deeper than the easy fruit found on the surface, because many things aren't really as simple as we'd like to think.
It would also be nice to have more sentient beings read my painfully crafted maunderings.
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Post by JesusNinja on Apr 21, 2021 0:54:53 GMT
I think I read somewhere that the average self published book rarely sells above $500 in a lifetime. Some not at all. I have been blessed that my rather simple books have sold. Traditional published books seem to always sell more. I was watching on the news , two people there who were laughingly kidding each other about whose book would reach number one on Amazon. Both of them have. Each time they came on the air an ad would be there for their books. Not to mention the publisher's work on advertising. I've seen many writers as well on TV shows talking about their books which adds to many more sales. The average writer like us doesn't stand much of a chance. Even our meager ads on Amazon don't help that much. Having a traditionally published book would be nice. They know the more it sells the more they make. So they advertise, set up interviews, conventions, etc. Not a bad thing at all if you can find a publisher who will take on your books. One story I like to remember is the woman who wrote 50 Shades of Grey. I believe it also was self published. I read that Opra read the book and added to her recommend book club. You know the rest. It has so many negatives reviews it's funny. But she's laughing all the way to the bank.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 21, 2021 13:10:26 GMT
Realistically speaking, a Traditional Publisher will have more money to spend on marketing / advertising than the average Self Publisher.
There is also the unfortunate misconception enough people believe that works of fiction put out by the majority of Self Publishers are automatically of lower quality in all regards because it's so easy to do. I've had the misfortune to have read books by authors who were Traditionally Published where the work was a waste of my money, just as I've read works that were worth it; point being name recognition leads to sales.
Once I finish clearing for parking / turnaround / service access lane I'll be flipping through the book I ordered to check out publishers for submissions, then time to get a new backup drive, and a block of ISBNs for hard copy I retired from Lulu Press. As opportunity presents I'll work through the hot months getting reviews and releasing under my own little imprint.
Time for more kaffee.
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Post by Ken on Apr 21, 2021 13:20:54 GMT
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 21, 2021 13:40:34 GMT
Speculative Fiction / Science Fiction though I have a few Fantasy MS in storage, which is not as easy to write as many would think. |
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Post by Ken on Apr 21, 2021 14:27:58 GMT
What is Fantasy MS?
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Post by richard on Apr 21, 2021 15:03:41 GMT
MS means manuscript, though I think it should be MSS for the plural? |
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Post by Ken on Apr 21, 2021 15:14:17 GMT
Certainly confused me.  |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 21, 2021 15:19:16 GMT
Certainly confused me. My apology for any confusion caused by using MS instead of MSS. Kind of hard to type those times when a 96.52 cm three-year-old is pulling your hand away from the keyboard. |
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Post by Ken on Apr 21, 2021 16:06:07 GMT
There is a publisher called Mills and Boon in the UK whose modus operandi is selling books by monthly subscriptions. My wife has used them for 30 years or more and gets 6 stories every month. Amongst their genres is Fantasy, not my wives interest nor mine, but they obviously sell hundreds of titles. It could perhaps be a vehicle for you, their maybe a similar org in the US. See www.millsandboon.co.uk/search?q=Fantasy |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 21, 2021 16:31:35 GMT
There is a publisher called Mills and Boon in the UK whose modus operandi is selling books by monthly subscriptions. My wife has used them for 30 years or more and gets 6 stories every month. Amongst their genres is Fantasy, not my wives interest nor mine, but they obviously sell hundreds of titles. It could perhaps be a vehicle for you, their maybe a similar org in the US. See www.millsandboon.co.uk/search?q=FantasyThe guide to publishers and agents I ordered [my primary interest being publishers] list publishers in all the English print markets, as in US, UK, Australia. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 3:22:41 GMT
There is a publisher called Mills and Boon----It could perhaps be a vehicle for youYou're recommending Mill and Boon to Cameron Ken ? Are you kidding? "About Mills & Boon. For over 100 years Mills & Boon have been sweeping women off their feet, offering a delicious daily dose of uplifting romances."
That's not to say romantic fiction and romantic fantasy books are not popular, Dame Barbara Cartland was a British author. (Princess Diana's stepmother) She was famous as a writer of romantic fiction of the Mills and Boon persuasion. She wrote 700 plus books. Now Barbara made a lot of money.
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Post by Ken on Apr 22, 2021 7:01:11 GMT
Yes, recommending as a publisher.
They don’t only publish romance but many other genres including fantasy.
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