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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 12:34:49 GMT
Yes, recommending as a publisher. They don’t only publish romance but many other genres including fantasy. Mills and Boons fantasy books are romantic fantasy books eg, "Fantasy Lover" Annabel Murray, "Seductive Fantasy" Janelle Denison, etc. Nothing like the books of Cameron's that I read. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 22, 2021 12:50:04 GMT
Yes, recommending as a publisher. They don’t only publish romance but many other genres including fantasy. Mills and Boons fantasy books are romantic fantasy books eg, "Fantasy Lover" Annabel Murray, "Seductive Fantasy" Janelle Denison, etc. Nothing like the science fantasy book of Cameron's that I read. There may be some elements of romance or erotic romance [kind of far from erotica] in my work, but it wouldn't be what most people would consider a romance.
I was talking about romance novels with a friend in SC yesterday. One thing we both have noticed is how too many romances, apart from a few details, follow the formula of the particular publishing house which prints them. After a while they tend to blur in the memory. As a side note, my mother who wasn't very romantic in her later life loved reading bodice rippers [historical or otherwise] -- she was not amused when I remarked a raunchy movie with little literary merit would be quicker.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 22, 2021 13:05:06 GMT
One thing about the fantasy genre, it has a variety of subgenres. thoughtsonfantasy.com/2015/12/07/17-common-fantasy-sub-genres/The one element which makes a fantasy novel fantasy is something happens in it that can't happen in the natural world. Fire breathing dragon, not happening in this universe. Vampires with superhuman strength surviving centuries, not at all likely. Speculation on what might have been or could be isn't actually fantasy because it's not violating how the natural world works which can be strange enough in its own right. |
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Post by Ken on Apr 22, 2021 14:01:26 GMT
Excellent reference.........’ Certainly embraces Mills & Boon titles.  |
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Post by richard on Apr 22, 2021 14:58:30 GMT
One thing about the fantasy genre, it has a variety of subgenres. thoughtsonfantasy.com/2015/12/07/17-common-fantasy-sub-genres/The one element which makes a fantasy novel fantasy is something happens in it that can't happen in the natural world. Fire breathing dragon, not happening in this universe. Vampires with superhuman strength surviving centuries, not at all likely. Speculation on what might have been or could be isn't actually fantasy because it's not violating how the natural world works which can be strange enough in its own right. All very true and well put. A very simple definition of the difference between fantasy fiction and science fiction: fantasy is that which can never be, and science fiction is that which could be, given a particular set of circumstances (examples are a new invention, scientific advancement, or even social change). It's an old fashioned term, but "science fantasy" refers to fiction that includes elements of both genres. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 22, 2021 15:08:20 GMT
Then there's science-fantasy-horror which would be the speculative fiction triad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 15:35:23 GMT
Cameron have you ever read a Mills and Boon novel? I'm afraid many people here in the UK make fun of Mills and Boon books. Mind you Barbara Cartland was "laughing all the way to the bank." Her books were described as "Mills and Boon like books."
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Post by Ken on Apr 22, 2021 15:41:16 GMT
Thousands more don’t make fun of them. You are obviously very biased in your thoughts of them and you don’t realize how many different genres they publish and sell week after week after week. Nor do you acknowledge how many writers and authors they support. Look at these.........  |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 22, 2021 15:48:55 GMT
Cameron have you ever read a Mills and Boon novel? I'm afraid many people here in the UK make fun of Mills and Boon books. Mind you Barbara Cartland was "laughing all the way to the bank." Her books were described as "Mills and Boon like books." I don't recall reading a book published by Mills and Boon romance or otherwise, but I have read a variety of romances. Some were "meh" in my opinion while others were quite interesting, "Sex and the Single Vampire" being one example.
There are a number of romance authors who laugh all the way to the bank just like Barbara Cartland.
Some are better writers than others, one instance being Nora Roberts who also writes or has written under the pseudonyms J.D. Robb and in the UK Sarah Hardesty.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 22, 2021 15:50:56 GMT
Thousands more don’t make fun of them. You are obviously very biased in your thoughts of them and you don’t realize how many different genres they publish and sell week after week after week. Nor do you acknowledge how many writers and authors they support. Unsurprisingly a lot of long-haul truck drivers in the US stock up on Romance, Fantasy, Science Fiction, and so on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 3:21:44 GMT
Thousands more don’t make fun of them. You are obviously very biased in your thoughts of them and you don’t realize how many different genres they publish and sell week after week after week. Nor do you acknowledge how many writers and authors they support. Look at these......... View AttachmentIn what way am I showing bias. (inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something, especially in a way considered to be unfair.) I was simply reporting the truth. I don't make fun of them but I don't read Mills and Boon books. Romantic fiction is not for me. Some commentators have criticised the books as having needy heroines, desperate for the love of a brutish man. However I acknowledge that some people like their books and if people read their books the authors and writers will continue to write them. I certainly don't begrudge them or Mills and Boon their money. "The hero will always be attractive. He will always have a basic integrity because he has to be a man the reader can love. He is always difficult initially but there is always a reason why he is difficult. But, prodded by the heroine, who cannot smoke or admit to multiple lovers, he will be redeemed." "a fascination for virgins is a common theme, with books like The sheikh’s virgin." "Founded in 1908, Mills & Boon is the UK's number one publisher of romantic fiction. Across every romance genre, from historical to contemporary, rom-com to erotica, our compelling, uplifting romances guarantee an instant escape to fantasy worlds, and the heart-warming reassurance of 'happily ever afterFounded in 1908, Mills & Boon is the UK's number one publisher of romantic fiction. Across every romance genre, from historical to contemporary, rom-com to erotica, our compelling, uplifting romances guarantee an instant escape to fantasy worlds, and the heart-warming reassurance of 'happily ever after'."
"Mills and Boon often referred to as M&B, is a publishing house which only caters to the romance genre. It was founded in 1908 by publisher Gerald Rusgrove Mills and Charles Boon. In its early days, Mills & Boon was not an exclusive publisher of romantic fiction. The firm published several high-quality educational non-fiction titles. In 1928 after Mills' unexpected death, Boon remade the company as a single-genre publishing house, publishing only romantic fiction. "
owlcation.com/humanities/Five-Common-Things-We-Find-in-Almost-every-MB-books. You recommended Mills and Boon to Cameron and I felt they were not the kind of publisher for Cameron's books based on his books that I have read and what Cameron has written and spoken about them. In the books that I read, written by Cameron, there was romance but it wasn't romantic fiction. I don't make fun of people and their taste in books. However it is true that many people do make fun of Mills and Boon books. So Cameron unless you have written some new romantic fiction I don't think Mills and Boon (or similar in the USA) is for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 8:31:26 GMT
PS Kava's first book was published by Mira. Her books are often referred to as romantic suspense novels. so Mills and Boon took her up.
"When I wrote my first novel, A Perfect Evil, I wanted to capture the raw emotions of a romantic suspense novel." Alex Kava
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Post by Ken on Apr 23, 2021 10:18:22 GMT
Dog with a bone springs to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 11:00:23 GMT
Dog with a bone springs to mind. Why are you so rude Ken. Some people have left because of your rudeness. You can be helpful but that is spoilt by your rudeness. Christopher Mason contacted me and said he had left because of certain people!!!! I remember how you were with Christopher. Please don't ruin our lovely forum. Also although you have denied being banned from The Lulu forum I have been contacted by someone in the know (I don't mean Kevin) who said you were banned. So just be helpful as I know you can be and please don't be rude and make comments like the one above and remarks like people in our forum don't understand subtlety etc. |
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 23, 2021 12:55:00 GMT
Mills and Boon is and has been for many years a romance publisher, regardless of subgenre. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mills_%26_BoonWhile it has led to many authors making money through the years, I don't write romance or other types of formula fiction. |
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