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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 12:18:36 GMT
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Post by potet on Feb 1, 2022 22:18:23 GMT
There is also the problem of automatic translation displayed as subtitles. In many cases the program writes stupid things unrelated to what is being said. youtu.be/CvWs252AqQY?t=311 |
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 2, 2022 1:00:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 5:12:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 5:13:16 GMT
There is also the problem of automatic translation displayed as subtitles. In many cases the program writes stupid things unrelated to what is being said. youtu.be/CvWs252AqQY?t=311They change what is said entirely. Even the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 5:15:42 GMT
Most were illiterate. They became literate after they received the Holy Ghost Paul and Luke were educated. That's it, I believe. |
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Post by potet on Feb 2, 2022 10:10:19 GMT
At that time, the Near-East and Egypt had been hellenized for three centuries. Upper and Middle-Class Jews spoke and wrote Greek. Aramean was the street language. Common people had a smattering of Greek. Everybody quoted the Scriptures in Hebrew. The Gospels were written in Greek, so their authors were educated in Greek. From what we read in their reports, it is obvious Jesus-Christ used the three languages, otherwise his listeners would not have understood him.
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 2, 2022 13:27:50 GMT
theveryfirstbible.org/But how is this known? it's 2000 years ago. Did someone take the minutes at meetings? I once studied the history of my very local area, and the further back one goes it's hard to find even existing records of what was said at local council meetings, which are supposedly important. And I mean from 150 years ago, not 2000. But note that Jesus was Jewish. The long foretold saviour of the Jews. Jews to this day still follow Judaism. Whereas around 200AD the Roman Catholic Church more or less hijacked Christianity, and rewrote the Bible. From then on, most Christianity was the RCC. If it was not for Henry 8th telling the RCC to take a hike, the UK would still be mostly be RC. But, as I say, Jews still follow Judaism, which is around 4,000 years old, not 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 13:51:14 GMT
At that time, the Near-East and Egypt had been hellenized for three centuries. Upper and Middle-Class Jews spoke and wrote Greek. Aramean was the street language. Common people had a smattering of Greek. Everybody quoted the Scriptures in Hebrew. The Gospels were written in Greek, so their authors were educated in Greek. From what we read in their reports, it is obvious Jesus-Christ used the three languages, otherwise his listeners would not have understood him. Jean-Paul, I believe you are a historian of language, are you not? This is brillant. Jesus spoke three languages😮. A completely uneducated man, who knew the scriptures, and had timeless knowledge to share. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 13:53:13 GMT
theveryfirstbible.org/But how is this known? it's 2000 years ago. Did someone take the minutes at meetings? I once studied the history of my very local area, and the further back one goes it's hard to find even existing records of what was said at local council meetings, which are supposedly important. And I mean from 150 years ago, not 2000. But note that Jesus was Jewish. The long foretold saviour of the Jews. Jews to this day still follow Judaism. Whereas around 200AD the Roman Catholic Church more or less hijacked Christianity, and rewrote the Bible. From then on, most Christianity was the RCC. If it was not for Henry 8th telling the RCC to take a hike, the UK would still be mostly be RC. But, as I say, Jews still follow Judaism, which is around 4,000 years old, not 2000. Historians have ways of determining historicity and age. Particular criteria and perhaps physical tests. |
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Post by potet on Feb 2, 2022 21:06:03 GMT
Maggie wrote: "A completely uneducated man".
I don't think he was uneducated because people called him "master".
I vaguely remember that in a Gospel Jesus Christ says the ways of the Lord are impenetrable. It is adapted from a passage from a Greek tragedy - perhaps he knew some lines from this tragedy.
The Jews were so deeply hellenized after Alexander the Great's conquest in 323 BC that Jewish youths who wanted to take part to stadium activities - that required full nakedness - had a more or less successful reconstruction of their foreskin. Seeing that, the religious Jewish leaders devised another form of circumcision without any skin left that makes it impossible to reconstitute the foreskin even partially.
Another proof that the Jews also spoke Greek is the Septant /Septuaginta Bible that dates back to 230BC, and is the translation of the Old Testament into demotic Greek by Jewish scholars for Ptolemy II. Those scholars were the tip of the iceberg.
Three centuries after Alexander the Great, a majority of Jews in Judea / Israel and in Egypt spoke Greek as the international language.
Finally, when discussing the beginning of the Christian era, it is important to remember that the original texts of the New Testament are written in Greek.
If you don't keep these linguistic data in mind, you are bound to visualize things through warped filters.
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 3, 2022 2:08:22 GMT
At that time, the Near-East and Egypt had been hellenized for three centuries. Upper and Middle-Class Jews spoke and wrote Greek. Aramean was the street language. Common people had a smattering of Greek. Everybody quoted the Scriptures in Hebrew. The Gospels were written in Greek, so their authors were educated in Greek. From what we read in their reports, it is obvious Jesus-Christ used the three languages, otherwise his listeners would not have understood him. Jean-Paul, I believe you are a historian of language, are you not? This is brillant. Jesus spoke three languages😮. A completely uneducated man, who knew the scriptures, and had timeless knowledge to share. |
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 3, 2022 2:18:23 GMT
theveryfirstbible.org/But how is this known? it's 2000 years ago. Did someone take the minutes at meetings? I once studied the history of my very local area, and the further back one goes it's hard to find even existing records of what was said at local council meetings, which are supposedly important. And I mean from 150 years ago, not 2000. But note that Jesus was Jewish. The long foretold saviour of the Jews. Jews to this day still follow Judaism. Whereas around 200AD the Roman Catholic Church more or less hijacked Christianity, and rewrote the Bible. From then on, most Christianity was the RCC. If it was not for Henry 8th telling the RCC to take a hike, the UK would still be mostly be RC. But, as I say, Jews still follow Judaism, which is around 4,000 years old, not 2000. Historians have ways of determining historicity and age. Particular criteria and perhaps physical tests. |
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 3, 2022 2:30:08 GMT
Maggie wrote: "A completely uneducated man". I don't think he was uneducated because people call him "master". I vaguely remember that in a Gospel Jesus Christ says the ways of the Lord are impenetrable. It is adapted from a passage from a Greek tragedy - perhaps he knew some lines from this tragedy. The Jews were so deeply hellenized after Alexander the Great's conquest in 323 BC that Jewish youths who wanted to take part to stadium activities - that required full nakedness - had a more or less successful reconstruction of their foreskin. Seeing that, the religious Jewish leaders devised another form of circumcision without any skin left that makes it impossible to reconstitute the foreskin even partially. Another proof that the Jews also spoke Greek is the Septant /Septuaginta Bible that dates back to 230BC, and is the translation of the Old Testament into demotic Greek by Jewish scholars for Ptolemy II. Those scholars were the tip of the iceberg. Three centuries after Alexander the Great, a majority of Jews in Judea / Israel and in Egypt spoke Greek as the international language. Finally, when discussing the beginning of the Christian era, it is important to remember that the original texts of the New Testament are written in Greek. If you don't keep these linguistic data in mind, you are bound to visualize things through warped filters. |
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Post by And still Kevin 2024 on Feb 3, 2022 2:47:03 GMT
Anyway, let's not forget that Christianity is quite young. Many religions predate it, and many very ancient Far Eastern ones are still followed today by billions. There are of course some relatively new religions, because it seems easy to make them up. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements Each to their own. As for me, my parents made many sacrifices for me. They were Druids. |
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