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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Apr 4, 2020 21:08:57 GMT
Interesting, the young cashier who had to deal with the belligerent shopper yesterday apparently had gotten threatened by him. I had suspected she might have caught a glimpse of the Entelechy from the Time of Legend I normally keep locked away, though it slipped out for a brief moment. It seems the fool who'd targeted her did hear my comment about the easiest way to deal with those who wish to bully others, which involves at least a semi-sharp edge. At any rate she was all smiles today, and a lot more talkative than usual. I guess some moderns do wish there were a few relicts walking amongst them. Helps the following make more sense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LPJllaogU
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Post by aacain on May 5, 2020 13:32:29 GMT
Easiest solution, switch the GPS function on your phone to "off". [Then tacking you is far less accurate due to being based off cell tower pings.]
Not always a solution, remove the battery from your phone and only put it back in when you need to make a call or arrive home. [The battery in my phone is integrated, and not removable without a lot of effort.]
Not removable here either. I have location turned off. It boils down to whether you want to risk dying or not. Here in Australia we have flattened the curve, the official covid death toll is just under 100 (the population is 25 million). The national case count is around 7,000, of whom fewer than 1,000 are still infected. Look at your own country, do the maths, and then decide who is telling you sensible strategies. Approx 4 million people have downloaded an app that monitors all people around you in fifteen minute increments. If anybody in that surrounding later tests positive, you get a message saying, "Go get tested, you might be infected." If you get infected, the health authorities know where you've been and can go track down people you might have infected. It's a pre-requisite for the country's recovery policies that at least 60% of phone owners download the app. It's a situation where the greater good takes precedence over personal rights. Sounds like an easy decision to me.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 5, 2020 13:51:10 GMT
Texas has roughly 29 million people, a bit over 32,332 confirmed cases [hard to know exactly how many there are since testing is almost dead last in this state], some 16,090 recovered, and at least 882 dead.
Do I trust the official figures when it's been made clear the people running things place the profits of rich people and corporations over the lives of the vast majority of this state's residents? Nope.
Do the distancing thing, wear a face mask, avoid packed crowds, and take all the sensible precautions as will help you avoid the infection as long as possible.
The reality is this virus, like so many others, likely won't miraculously disappear.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 16:03:22 GMT
Not removable here either. I have location turned off. It boils down to whether you want to risk dying or not. Here in Australia we have flattened the curve, the official covid death toll is just under 100 (the population is 25 million). The national case count is around 7,000, of whom fewer than 1,000 are still infected. Look at your own country, do the maths, and then decide who is telling you sensible strategies. Approx 4 million people have downloaded an app that monitors all people around you in fifteen minute increments. If anybody in that surrounding later tests positive, you get a message saying, "Go get tested, you might be infected." If you get infected, the health authorities know where you've been and can go track down people you might have infected. It's a pre-requisite for the country's recovery policies that at least 60% of phone owners download the app. It's a situation where the greater good takes precedence over personal rights. Sounds like an easy decision to me. Hmm... out of 36 million people we here have 4000 deaths. They shut the whole country down. More people are dying from cancer and other problems because of the shutdown. I'll pass on the app, the mask and the shutdown. Sweden has done none of these and they are not falling apart.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 6, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
It boils down to whether you want to risk dying or not. Here in Australia we have flattened the curve, the official covid death toll is just under 100 (the population is 25 million). The national case count is around 7,000, of whom fewer than 1,000 are still infected. Look at your own country, do the maths, and then decide who is telling you sensible strategies. Approx 4 million people have downloaded an app that monitors all people around you in fifteen minute increments. If anybody in that surrounding later tests positive, you get a message saying, "Go get tested, you might be infected." If you get infected, the health authorities know where you've been and can go track down people you might have infected. It's a pre-requisite for the country's recovery policies that at least 60% of phone owners download the app. It's a situation where the greater good takes precedence over personal rights. Sounds like an easy decision to me. Hmm... out of 36 million people we here have 4000 deaths. They shut the whole country down. More people are dying from cancer and other problems because of the shutdown. I'll pass on the app, the mask and the shutdown. Sweden has done none of these and they are not falling apart. Sweden, when compared to its neighbors, has a far higher infection and mortality rate, killing the elderly most often.
Now when you go to figure out mortality rate there are two ways to do it, the raw rate which is known deaths from the disease divided by known infections of the disease. The per capita rate is known deaths from the disease divided by total population.
As of the last update in the U.S. there were 71,220 known deaths from Covid-19 versus 1,206,886 Covid-19 infections, meaning a raw mortality rate of 5.9%. With a population of roughly 328.9 million, that works out to 0.02% of the population dying per capita, which sounds like nothing until you multiply the total population by 5.9%, meaning if everyone in the U.S. gets infected then there would be at least 19,405,100 deaths if not more as the medical system gets overrun.
The problem is there is no guarantee this pandemic will miraculously stop just as so far there is no magic philtre. The variant of the virus kicking the U.S. East Coast is also a lot harsher than the variant that first came out of Wuhan.
The whole point of the shut down was to slow the progress of the disease to keep it manageable. As for the mask as I explained to someone who thought wearing the mask was "too communist", not wearing one means if you're asymptomatic but infected and infectious you're probably going to cause some people to die, possibly people you actually care about.
Read up on the Pandemic of 1918, which was still killing people in the prime of life into 1920.
Actions have consequences even if we don't see them at first.
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Post by Me on May 7, 2020 1:21:25 GMT
Hmm... out of 36 million people we here have 4000 deaths. They shut the whole country down. More people are dying from cancer and other problems because of the shutdown. I'll pass on the app, the mask and the shutdown. Sweden has done none of these and they are not falling apart. Sweden, when compared to its neighbors, has a far higher infection and mortality rate, killing the elderly most often.
Now when you go to figure out mortality rate there are two ways to do it, the raw rate which is known deaths from the disease divided by known infections of the disease. The per capita rate is known deaths from the disease divided by total population.
As of the last update in the U.S. there were 71,220 known deaths from Covid-19 versus 1,206,886 Covid-19 infections, meaning a raw mortality rate of 5.9%. With a population of roughly 328.9 million, that works out to 0.02% of the population dying per capita, which sounds like nothing until you multiply the total population by 5.9%, meaning if everyone in the U.S. gets infected then there would be at least 19,405,100 deaths if not more as the medical system gets overrun.
The problem is there is no guarantee this pandemic will miraculously stop just as so far there is no magic philtre. The variant of the virus kicking the U.S. East Coast is also a lot harsher than the variant that first came out of Wuhan.
The whole point of the shut down was to slow the progress of the disease to keep it manageable. As for the mask as I explained to someone who thought wearing the mask was "too communist", not wearing one means if you're asymptomatic but infected and infectious you're probably going to cause some people to die, possibly people you actually care about.
Read up on the Pandemic of 1918, which was still killing people in the prime of life into 1920.
Actions have consequences even if we don't see them at first. Yes, I've heard and read all that before. All of it, from every angle. I do not think this is equal to 1918. We are far more advanced medically.
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Post by adrianallan on May 7, 2020 10:27:39 GMT
I am also a huge sceptic about all of this. If the UK government really cared one iota about saving lives, each city centre would not be full of homeless people and nurses would be paid more than survival wages. I find it gross hypocrisy to see a right wing government clapping the medics.
Everything about this "pandemic" is a dream come true for right wing authoritarian governments. Such as the destruction of small business; the move towards a cashless society; tracking of its citizens and laws against public gathering - and even forced vaccinations or a health passport - or even possible micro chipping.
No doubt people have died, but the response does not match the danger. All of it is being whipped up into a frenzy by the right wing press, which also wants more wealth in fewer hands.
David Icke called it a hoax, and his Facebook and YouTube channel were shut down immediately. It has all the sign's of Orwell's 1984.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2020 14:45:24 GMT
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2020 14:48:27 GMT
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2020 15:20:07 GMT
I am also a huge sceptic about all of this. If the UK government really cared one iota about saving lives, each city centre would not be full of homeless people and nurses would be paid more than survival wages. I find it gross hypocrisy to see a right wing government clapping the medics. Necessity is the mother of invention. The Conservatives starved the Welfare State, of which the NHS is part, because they themselves have no use for it. Now they discover why it's so important, not only to people, but people who pay taxes, run businesses, and the entire infrastructure a country depends on. Will they learn from it? I doubt it. Give it 5 years and it will all be forgotten. One thing it has proven, though, is the Gov are not as short of money as they pretend to be. Will that also be remembered? No.Everything about this "pandemic" is a dream come true for right wing authoritarian governments. Such as the destruction of small business; the move towards a cashless society; tracking of its citizens and laws against public gathering - and even forced vaccinations or a health passport - or even possible micro chipping. Er, what? How is the destruction of places that create tax a benefit to any government? And we have had an almost cashless society for quite some time. Tracking citizens? etc., etc., er, what? (Perhaps you are mixing them up with Google ) And people should have vaccinations. Many of which given as children were the cures to previous pandemics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmallpoxNo doubt people have died, but the response does not match the danger. All of it is being whipped up into a frenzy by the right wing press, which also wants more wealth in fewer hands. I hope you are joking? The response is to stop the spread of it. It's comments such as that which spread it. Simple. What as wealth got to do with it? And in the UK putting it in to fewer hands would mean, one. 5% of the UK population hold 95% of the dosh already. The UK is actually unique with that stat.David Icke called it a hoax, and his Facebook and YouTube channel were shut down immediately. And yet his own site is still up, still full of BS. The man is sick, deranged and delusional, and possibly so are those who read his BS. And he's not the new messiah as he once claimed. He's just a very naughty boy.
It has all the sign's of Orwell's 1984. And you are using David Icke as an example? Gosh. Oh, and you would really know if you were living in Orwell's dystopian dictatorship. It is worse than Russia was well before the fall of the wall.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on May 7, 2020 15:21:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 15:48:40 GMT
I am also a huge sceptic about all of this. If the UK government really cared one iota about saving lives, each city centre would not be full of homeless people and nurses would be paid more than survival wages. I find it gross hypocrisy to see a right wing government clapping the medics. Everything about this "pandemic" is a dream come true for right wing authoritarian governments. Such as the destruction of small business; the move towards a cashless society; tracking of its citizens and laws against public gathering - and even forced vaccinations or a health passport - or even possible micro chipping. No doubt people have died, but the response does not match the danger. All of it is being whipped up into a frenzy by the right wing press, which also wants more wealth in fewer hands. David Icke called it a hoax, and his Facebook and YouTube channel were shut down immediately. It has all the sign's of Orwell's 1984. I just finished listening to 1984 two weeks ago. Barely remembered it from high school. Creepy as heck. But it made me super paranoid about gov't control. Fear is the ultimate way to control. And turning people against rach other. Now we see people as an infection, potential death. Each time someone looks at me with fear now, complete strangers, I smile and ask them how they are as if they were my brother.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 15:50:01 GMT
I am also a huge sceptic about all of this. If the UK government really cared one iota about saving lives, each city centre would not be full of homeless people and nurses would be paid more than survival wages. I find it gross hypocrisy to see a right wing government clapping the medics. Everything about this "pandemic" is a dream come true for right wing authoritarian governments. Such as the destruction of small business; the move towards a cashless society; tracking of its citizens and laws against public gathering - and even forced vaccinations or a health passport - or even possible micro chipping. No doubt people have died, but the response does not match the danger. All of it is being whipped up into a frenzy by the right wing press, which also wants more wealth in fewer hands. David Icke called it a hoax, and his Facebook and YouTube channel were shut down immediately. It has all the sign's of Orwell's 1984. I just finished listening to 1984 two weeks ago. Barely remembered it from high school. Creepy as heck. But it made me super paranoid about gov't control. Fear is the ultimate way to control. And turning people against rach other. Now we see people as an infection, potential death. Each time someone looks at me with fear now, complete strangers, I smile and ask them how they are as if they were my brother. It's disgusting turning people against each other. Death is better.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on May 7, 2020 17:29:43 GMT
We have found that understanding the risks involved with daily life, whether slipping in a tub and breaking neck or getting struck by lightning tends to dispel fear. As for people being seen as potential death, that has been the case since people have been people. Does it mean you have you need to fear everyone? No, but it does mean you should be aware of people and their capabilities.
As for people being turned against each other, the divide and conquer tactic has been going on for an extremely long time.
Sad to say critical thinking isn't taught so much these days.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 18:18:05 GMT
We have found that understanding the risks involved with daily life, whether slipping in a tub and breaking neck or getting struck by lightning tends to dispel fear. As for people being seen as potential death, that has been the case since people have been people. Does it mean you have you need to fear everyone? No, but it does mean you should be aware of people and their capabilities. As for people being turned against each other, the divide and conquer tactic has been going on for an extremely long time. Sad to say critical thinking isn't taught so much these days. Yes, people are dumbed down by screens nowadays. They don't even assign 1984 in classrooms anymore. It made people too protective of their rights.
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