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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 9:03:50 GMT
I thought the several science fiction writers on our site might be interested in this science fact. Peter Scott-Morgan is a British scientist with a PhD in robotics. Because he developed Motor Neurone Disease (like Stephen Hawking) he decided to use technology to help his body cope .He had complicated replumbing of his body –-- a colostomy for his bowels, a catheter for his bladder and a feeding tube directly into his stomach. He can import nutrients and export waste automatically. Also a permanent breathing apparatus has been added so he is mute, but a voice synthesiser will allow him to speak without typing, via a brain implant. He hasn't got control over every word it speaks for him but will work more speedily and sound more like him. Eventually, Peter wants to have an ecoskeleton encase his entire body. Peter is the world's first cyborg, part man and part machine.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Aug 30, 2020 2:26:45 GMT
I thought the several science fiction writers on our site might be interested in this science fact. Peter Scott-Morgan is a British scientist with a PhD in robotics. Because he developed Motor Neurone Disease (like Stephen Hawking) he decided to use technology to help his body cope .He had complicated replumbing of his body –-- a colostomy for his bowels, a catheter for his bladder and a feeding tube directly into his stomach. He can import nutrients and export waste automatically. Also a permanent breathing apparatus has been added so he is mute, but a voice synthesiser will allow him to speak without typing, via a brain implant. He hasn't got control over every word it speaks for him but will work more speedily and sound more like him. Eventually, Peter wants to have an ecoskeleton encase his entire body. Peter is the world's first cyborg, part man and part machine. Hrmm, he's not really a cyborg because most of the devices he's using are external, the kind used on serious accident victims in hospital. Cyborgs have quite a lot of bits totally replaced with robotics. And it's not exactly new. Experiments have been done with artificial eyes wired directly to the part of the brain that processes sight. Some bloke's sight was increased by around 15%, so far. The same has been done with hearing aids implanted in the skull. And of course replacement limbs that are controlled by the nerve endings are not uncommon. www.boldsky.com/health/wellness/2019/how-bionic-limbs-work-128234.html they are very very expensive though. And of course SF writers have been writing about it for decades. wiki2.org/en/Cyborgs_in_fiction#Origins
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Aug 30, 2020 3:30:30 GMT
I'm still in love with my secret crush - the six-million-dollar man - sheesh ... that dates me ...
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 1, 2020 2:53:44 GMT
It sounded a lot then. What would it cost today? It always puzzled me though. He only had one cyborg leg, and yet he could run at 70mph (?) why did he not just run in a circle? And did he not have only one cyborg arm? Attached to his body, and could lift tons. How come it did not rip out of his body? oh well. www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/robo-dev/exoskeletons-uses-beyond-healthcare/
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 1, 2020 13:31:34 GMT
Cyborg is just shorthand for "cybernetic organism," which in turn is any organism, human or otherwise, consisting of both organic and electronic/mechanical body parts. These parts do not necessarily have to be entirely internal. Bruce Sterling, for instance, has suggested that a form of cyborg might be someone encased entirely in a powered exoskeleton. RoboCop would be an example.
The originators of the term "cybernetic organism" defined it as an "exogenously extended organizational complex functioning as an integrated homeostatic system unconsciously." That is, some sort of feeback mechanism would necessarily be part of the system in order for it to be a true cyborg. This could be internal or external...for instance, someone with a prosthetic hand that is controlled directly by nerve impulses. Sterling's exoskeleton-equipped human would be a cyborg if the mechanism were controlled directly via feedback.
In science fiction, the idea is an old one. Poe wrote of a kind of proto-cyborg in his story, "The Man Who Was Used Up" and a similar idea appeared in Finney's 1935 "The Circus of Dr. Lao." There were countless other novels and stories that described cyborgs long before the term was defined.
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 1, 2020 13:32:00 GMT
It sounded a lot then. What would it cost today? It always puzzled me though. He only had one cyborg leg, and yet he could run at 70mph (?) why did he not just run in a circle? And did he not have only one cyborg arm? Attached to his body, and could lift tons. How come it did not rip out of his body? oh well. www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/robo-dev/exoskeletons-uses-beyond-healthcare/I've wondered about those very same things myself!
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Post by tasmanianartistNotLoggedIn on Sept 2, 2020 0:38:25 GMT
:-) :-) :-) - those questions would seriously spoil any of those plots! Better not ask them - I think he also had an eye with which he could see either through things or 'zoom' into the distance. At least he was good looking!
The 'Borg' of Star Trek fame are anything but ... or the Doctor's nemesis number one, the Daleks. 'Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate...' The synths' inventor's son in 'Humans', the recent Swedish/English drama would by the above definition also be a 'cyborg', being a 'part-synth' (synthetic parts created by his father to save his son's life after a fatal accident). Seems to be an irresistible topic for speculative fiction writers.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 2, 2020 1:19:19 GMT
Cyborg is just shorthand for "cybernetic organism," which in turn is any organism, human or otherwise, consisting of both organic and electronic/mechanical body parts. Indeed.These parts do not necessarily have to be entirely internal. Well an arm or a leg is not exactly internal, but if connected to the nerves or even existing bone structure or muscle, then those bits are internal. Bruce Sterling, for instance, has suggested that a form of cyborg might be someone encased entirely in a powered exoskeleton. Iron Man? But what powered him was an implant. It also kept his heart ticking. The actual suit, although a form of exoskeleton, did not make him a cyborg. But what I wondered is how did he control it? It was never said. But few things are explained in SF. RoboCop would be an example. Wasn't he mostly just a very damaged head connected to a robot body? A brain with a face in a 'box'. An extreme form of cyborg.The originators of the term "cybernetic organism" defined it as an "exogenously extended organizational complex functioning as an integrated homeostatic system unconsciously." Gosh that's a lot of big words. But the first one means having an external cause or origin, not necessarily fitted to the outside. Some thing that a human was not born with but was added in other words. Like a pacemaker or even artificial hip. But it could also relate to hive systems in nature.That is, some sort of feeback mechanism would necessarily be part of the system in order for it to be a true cyborg. Yup. Worked by the brain, as the natural bits are. This could be internal or external...for instance, someone with a prosthetic hand that is controlled directly by nerve impulses. Sterling's exoskeleton-equipped human would be a cyborg if the mechanism were controlled directly via feedback. Indeed, but like the example I linked to it just uses micro-switches to know in which direction an arm or leg is moving in and then enhances the physical power via motors. The idea of a exoskeleton is you can leave it at work when you go home, or take it off to go to bed. I doubt few people would like to be hardwired up to such a device. In science fiction, the idea is an old one. Poe wrote of a kind of proto-cyborg in his story, "The Man Who Was Used Up" and a similar idea appeared in Finney's 1935 "The Circus of Dr. Lao." There were countless other novels and stories that described cyborgs long before the term was defined. It is indeed. Little is new in fiction. Just the science advances.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 2, 2020 1:32:44 GMT
:-) :-) :-) - those questions would seriously spoil any of those plots! Better not ask them - I think he also had an eye with which he could see either through things or 'zoom' into the distance. At least he was good looking! The 'Borg' of Star Trek fame are anything but ... or the Doctor's nemesis number one, the Daleks. 'Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate...' The synths' inventor's son in 'Humans', the recent Swedish/English drama would by the above definition also be a 'cyborg', being a 'part-synth' (synthetic parts created by his father to save his son's life after a fatal accident). Seems to be an irresistible topic for speculative fiction writers. Yes he did, and they felt the need to make a strange noise whenever his machine bits activated, as if it was not obvious.
The Borg had all manner of implants and attachments controlled by the brain. Surely that would class them as cyborg?
Not sure what a Dalek could be classed as. A brain in a dustbin? They are supposed to be just brains, wired up to their machines, so I suppose an ET version of a cyborg. Did you know they were 'borrowed?' They were a creation by Terry Nation, a comedy writer ...
Humans was commissioned by UK's Channel 4 part financed by the American AMC and made by a Brit company called Kudos. But the main ones were fully android, not cyborgs. Not sure about the son. He seemed to a human who could plug in to a laptop. What they never explained was what the androids cost to buy!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 6:10:50 GMT
I thought the several science fiction writers on our site might be interested in this science fact. Peter Scott-Morgan is a British scientist with a PhD in robotics. Because he developed Motor Neurone Disease (like Stephen Hawking) he decided to use technology to help his body cope .He had complicated replumbing of his body –-- a colostomy for his bowels, a catheter for his bladder and a feeding tube directly into his stomach. He can import nutrients and export waste automatically. Also a permanent breathing apparatus has been added so he is mute, but a voice synthesiser will allow him to speak without typing, via a brain implant. He hasn't got control over every word it speaks for him but will work more speedily and sound more like him. Eventually, Peter wants to have an ecoskeleton encase his entire body. Peter is the world's first cyborg, part man and part machine. Hrmm, he's not really a cyborg because most of the devices he's using are external, the kind used on serious accident victims in hospital. Cyborgs have quite a lot of bits totally replaced with robotics. And it's not exactly new. Experiments have been done with artificial eyes wired directly to the part of the brain that processes sight. Some bloke's sight was increased by around 15%, so far. The same has been done with hearing aids implanted in the skull. And of course replacement limbs that are controlled by the nerve endings are not uncommon. www.boldsky.com/health/wellness/2019/how-bionic-limbs-work-128234.html they are very very expensive though. And of course SF writers have been writing about it for decades. wiki2.org/en/Cyborgs_in_fiction#OriginsWell if he isn't one now he'll certainly become one. “This is cyborg territory, and I intend to be a human guinea pig to see just how far we can turn science fiction into reality.” Dr. Peter Scott-Morgan
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 8, 2020 23:33:26 GMT
It's unlikely that he will live long enough to become a complete cyborg, all the required parts don't currently exist, and like all new tech it will cost an arm and a leg ( (: ) when it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 8:17:13 GMT
It's unlikely that he will live long enough to become a complete cyborg, all the required parts don't currently exist, and like all new tech it will cost an arm and a leg ( (: ) when it is. However this fellow is recognised by his government as a cyborg. "Neil Harbisson (born 27 July 1984) is a Spanish-born British-Irish[18] cyborg artist and activist for transpecies rights based in New York City.[19] He is best known for being the first person in the world with an antenna implanted in his skull[20] and for being legally recognized as a cyborg by a government." (Wikipedia)
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 9, 2020 11:49:47 GMT
It's unlikely that he will live long enough to become a complete cyborg, all the required parts don't currently exist, and like all new tech it will cost an arm and a leg ( (: ) when it is. However this fellow is recognised by his government as a cyborg. "Neil Harbisson (born 27 July 1984) is a Spanish-born British-Irish[18] cyborg artist and activist for transpecies rights based in New York City.[19] He is best known for being the first person in the world with an antenna implanted in his skull[20] and for being legally recognized as a cyborg by a government." (Wikipedia)This is apparently the basis for his claim to have his cyborgness legally recognized: "Harbisson says he holds the distinction of being the first cyborg to be legally recognized by a government: the photo on his UK passport shows him wearing his device, effectively sanctioning it as part of his face." I think the same could be said for a pair of glasses or a toupee.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 9, 2020 13:41:50 GMT
It's unlikely that he will live long enough to become a complete cyborg, all the required parts don't currently exist, and like all new tech it will cost an arm and a leg ( (: ) when it is. However this fellow is recognised by his government as a cyborg. "Neil Harbisson (born 27 July 1984) is a Spanish-born British-Irish[18] cyborg artist and activist for transpecies rights based in New York City.[19] He is best known for being the first person in the world with an antenna implanted in his skull[20] and for being legally recognized as a cyborg by a government." (Wikipedia) They obviously don't know what a cyborg is then. But what exactly is it wired up to? There's more to vision, or any sensory perception, than eyeballs and nerve endings in the body, it's to do with complex parts in the brain. Who on earth did the highly complex operation? It would require brain surgery at the highest level, costing umpteen thousands. Or is it really just a vibrating thing screwed to his skull?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 9, 2020 13:51:41 GMT
However this fellow is recognised by his government as a cyborg. "Neil Harbisson (born 27 July 1984) is a Spanish-born British-Irish[18] cyborg artist and activist for transpecies rights based in New York City.[19] He is best known for being the first person in the world with an antenna implanted in his skull[20] and for being legally recognized as a cyborg by a government." (Wikipedia)This is apparently the basis for his claim to have his cyborgness legally recognized: "Harbisson says he holds the distinction of being the first cyborg to be legally recognized by a government: the photo on his UK passport shows him wearing his device, effectively sanctioning it as part of his face." That's just his claim. He's not been recognised as anything of the sort. All he has is the right to 'wear' an object permanently and legally while passing through customs as shown on his passport. An item hard to remove. He simply calls himself a cyborg-artist, like some people call themselves steampunks.I think the same could be said for a pair of glasses or a toupee. There's a chap in Sweden I think it is, who programs animal identification chips with his own details, and uses the same device vets use to place it under his skin. He has quite a following of people who have also done it. How does he pass through all the detectors at borders? I assume he too has some sort of official explanation when the machines bleep, seeing as he's not a pet.
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