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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Dec 6, 2020 16:51:31 GMT
I’ll slightly take issue you on some of that. I doubt that the vast majority of Lulu users over the years had a prime motivation of profit or of making any significant money. The term I believe used to be vanity publishing and I’m sure that is still the motive for many. There have always been complaints in various places and probably from those with a profit motive. New comers will always more than make up the loss of those dissatisfied. It tends to depend upon the person using the service and their goal. Some just want to see their work in print, others want to make money, and some want to share something with their families.
As new aspiring writers start trying to get published, there will always be those who go for what appears to be the easy way. For the next fifty years or so as the global population grows, you're correct about newcomers making up the loss of the dissatisfied -- but as the population begins contracting around 2080 to 2090 [due to a variety of issues] that will no longer be true.
At any rate things to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 16:59:56 GMT
I’ll slightly take issue you on some of that. I doubt that the vast majority of Lulu users over the years had a prime motivation of profit or of making any significant money. The term I believe used to be vanity publishing and I’m sure that is still the motive for many. There have always been complaints in various places and probably from those with a profit motive. New comers will always more than make up the loss of those dissatisfied. What is it you are taking issue with Ken?
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Post by Ken on Dec 6, 2020 17:03:53 GMT
It was Cameron. Written to him whilst you were writing, so it appeared as though I was addressing you. Damn Internet.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Dec 6, 2020 17:17:00 GMT
It was Cameron. Written to him whilst you were writing, so it appeared as though I was addressing you. Damn Internet.Easy solution: quote or use a name.
Though some days I tend to agree the Internet is a bit damned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 18:39:16 GMT
I’ll slightly take issue you on some of that. I doubt that the vast majority of Lulu users over the years had a prime motivation of profit or of making any significant money. The term I believe used to be vanity publishing and I’m sure that is still the motive for many. There have always been complaints in various places and probably from those with a profit motive. New comers will always more than make up the loss of those dissatisfied. What is it you are taking issue with Ken? He is troubled by the idea that people are under the impression that they will earn a significant amount of money publishing their books.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Dec 6, 2020 20:49:57 GMT
Some Self-Publishers do make money, either through quality of writing along with being known in their niche or in the case of people writing manuals, by being able to help people understand concepts that don't read like VCR instructions translated from English to Chinese to Japanese back to English. Dyson Logos had steady income from his work. www.dysonlogos.com/www.lulu.com/spotlight/dysonlogos
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Post by JesusNinja on Dec 11, 2020 3:04:07 GMT
I’ll slightly take issue you on some of that. I doubt that the vast majority of Lulu users over the years had a prime motivation of profit or of making any significant money. The term I believe used to be vanity publishing and I’m sure that is still the motive for many. There have always been complaints in various places and probably from those with a profit motive. New comers will always more than make up the loss of those dissatisfied. I'd have to disagree with you on that. At first at least with my first book it was about getting out information. It's gotten great reviews with what little sales it's gotten. But once I realized money could be made, I started writing short 32 page short reads. The first one was selling ten to twenty copies a day for the first month. It has slowed down now but still sells around 40 to 50 a month. But then I wrote volumes 2-4. From there on a brand and series was created. Someone mentioned I think might have been Maggie that I needed to make paperback versions so I did. Then they started selling. The profit does have its up and downs but it does help when work is slow especially now with Covid. But also in this process I've taught myself to use Photoshop and make my own one piece covers. Although I enjoy writing and especially using Photoshop to make covers, making money is the most important thing. So the more I learn , the better I get, the more money I can make. "If" Lulu would ever get the site fixed and my books online LOL..
Just to add that when the site first went down everyone was on Facebook complaining and extremely angry. I really don't think there would have been so much worry and complaining if all they wanted is for their books to be seen. It was because they were losing income. Many had questions that Lulu wasn't helping with. I contacted some of them on Facebook and helped them. If I couldn't help , I sent them here. This income for me will help if I'm ever sick or get too old to work and make income. It's an easy way to make money if you do the research and see what sells. Cover strategy has to be studied as well. Maggie and Ron have a wealth of information on this. The one thing I've learned though is the more books you have out the more chances of selling. When one starts to get popular, I started writing its sequel. I'm not getting rich for sure but I'm making much more than the $5 every three months I used to get from Lulu.
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Post by JesusNinja on Dec 11, 2020 3:26:02 GMT
Some Self-Publishers do make money, either through quality of writing along with being known in their niche or in the case of people writing manuals, by being able to help people understand concepts that don't read like VCR instructions translated from English to Chinese to Japanese back to English. Dyson Logos had steady income from his work. www.dysonlogos.com/www.lulu.com/spotlight/dysonlogosYou're right Cameron. He used to private message me on Lulu. He made good money. He was smart in his approach to this too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 5:07:12 GMT
I’ll slightly take issue you on some of that. I doubt that the vast majority of Lulu users over the years had a prime motivation of profit or of making any significant money. The term I believe used to be vanity publishing and I’m sure that is still the motive for many. There have always been complaints in various places and probably from those with a profit motive. New comers will always more than make up the loss of those dissatisfied. I'd have to disagree with you on that. At first at least with my first book it was about getting out information. It's gotten great reviews with what little sales it's gotten. But once I realized money could be made, I started writing short 32 page short reads. The first one was selling ten to twenty copies a day for the first month. It has slowed down now but still sells around 40 to 50 a month. But then I wrote volumes 2-4. From there on a brand and series was created. Someone mentioned I think might have been Maggie that I needed to make paperback versions so I did. Then they started selling. The profit does have its up and downs but it does help when work is slow especially now with Covid. But also in this process I've taught myself to use Photoshop and make my own one piece covers. Although I enjoy writing and especially using Photoshop to make covers, making money is the most important thing. So the more I learn , the better I get, the more money I can make. "If" Lulu would ever get the site fixed and my books online LOL..
Just to add that when the site first went down everyone was on Facebook complaining and extremely angry. I really don't think there would have been so much worry and complaining if all they wanted is for their books to be seen. It was because they were losing income. Many had questions that Lulu wasn't helping with. I contacted some of them on Facebook and helped them. If I couldn't help , I sent them here. This income for me will help if I'm ever sick or get too old to work and make income. It's an easy way to make money if you do the research and see what sells. Cover strategy has to be studied as well. Maggie and Ron have a wealth of information on this. The one thing I've learned though is the more books you have out the more chances of selling. When one starts to get popular, I started writing its sequel. I'm not getting rich for sure but I'm making much more than the $5 every three months I used to get from Lulu.
And something you may not have noticed, but I have; you've become a better writer for all that writing. I see it in your posts, the fluidity, vocabulary, structure. A good writer.
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