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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 1:52:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 5:39:26 GMT
I'm so glad you adopted Lucas Lou from PAL and not from a pet shop. Conditions at pet shops are often inadequate. Dogs, cats, and rabbits are kept inside small cages with barely enough room to move and are often given no opportunity to socialise. Dogs in pet shops are usually chosen for their breed, but this is often achieved through inbreeding, which can cause severe health problems. Good luck with your book.
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Post by ronmiller on Feb 9, 2021 13:36:34 GMT
All of our cats are rescues. And they are the best!
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Post by ronmiller on Feb 9, 2021 13:38:10 GMT
Hmmm...the word "rescue" made me think of something. Maybe getting a pet from a pet shop might be considered to be rescuing the animal. What life would it be facing if someone didn't take it home?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 16:34:13 GMT
Hmmm...the word "rescue" made me think of something. Maybe getting a pet from a pet shop might be considered to be rescuing the animal. What life would it be facing if someone didn't take it home? There's something to be said for that Ron, they need rescuing from pet shops.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 16:42:37 GMT
Like much in life don’t tar everyone with the same brush. There are some excellent pet shop owner businesses who real care about the animals they sell and families they support. Most animals sold in pet stores come from mass-breeding facilities called puppy mills, where they are denied socialization, exercise, and veterinary care. The puppies are typically taken from their mothers at an early age, packed into crates, and trucked or flown hundreds of miles to brokers and then to pet stores, often without adequate food, water, or ventilation. Some puppies don’t survive the grueling journey. Conditions at many pet stores are inadequate at best; at worst, they are outright abusive. Puppies are often kept in wire-bottomed cages; small animals such as mice, hamsters, gerbils, and rats are often crammed en masse into small, filthy, crowded cages; fish who were meant to swim freely in their ocean, lake, or river homes are reduced to circling the same few cubic inches of water in tanks that are often dirty and crowded; and exotic birds are typically kept in tiny cages, which prevents them from satisfying their natural needs to fly and socialize with others of their own species. www.peta.org/issues/animal-companion-issues/pet-trade/pet-shops/Do you know of any that don't keep the animals in cages Ken? Also my next door neighbour got a puppy from a pet shop that was very, very young. it was snatched from its mother. I heard it whimpering well into the night for days and days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 18:07:53 GMT
I'm so glad you adopted Lucas Lou from PAL and not from a pet shop. Conditions at pet shops are often inadequate. Dogs, cats, and rabbits are kept inside small cages with barely enough room to move and are often given no opportunity to socialise. Dogs in pet shops are usually chosen for their breed, but this is often achieved through inbreeding, which can cause severe health problems. Good luck with your book. Every pup & kitty I've ever had the joy of spending my life with, was an adopted kid of mine. Either they found their way to me, or I happened upon them. And I will forever love every one of them.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 9, 2021 19:02:04 GMT
The spouse and I have been taking care of a cat that was starving when it jumped into her arms in a park [part of a swampy area with walking trails] in South Carolina. He found her in June or July of 2008.
The semi-feral cats outside our current house vary in number by season and proximity of foxes or coyotes, but we put food and water out for them [especially in winter]. Some of them want ear scratches or back rubs, some don't. Pets they aren't, more like entitled guests who believe they deserve five-star service.
There are people in San Antonio who breed and raise different flavors of cat or dog, and they're selective about who gets the little ones as shown by questionnaires and interviews for potential buyers.
If I could get a good sight-hound pair I'd go through the process, but that would mean I'd need a fenced in outside area to keep them from playing with wild hogs or chasing deer or getting lured off by coyotes. I have other clearing and projects I need to do first; one example being getting a water tank in so we have enough water pressure for the shower to work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 4:38:30 GMT
larika, I was thinking of the small one man pet shops in small towns in the UK. Where one could find some bunnies, hamsters or guinea pigs. Occasionally kittens or puppies that would most probably come from local families. Mind you I haven’t visited any for probably 40 years or more. We have had Chow Chow dogs for 50 years or more but all have come direct from the breeders, our current dog Rafa is the sixth in our family. View Attachment Beautiful dog, Ellen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 8:33:13 GMT
We have had Chow Chow dogs for 50 years or more but all have come direct from the breeders, our current dog Rafa is the sixth in our family.Following on from Ron's comment about rescuing from shops Ken , you could be seen as rescuing your dog from a breeder. These are not good people, In a time of animal overpopulation, breeding dogs is always irresponsible and cruel. More than 6 million animals end up homeless every year, and half of them must be euthanized. Dog breeders treat living individuals as commodities to be genetically manipulated for profit. Some are so interbred that they can hardly breathe or walk. In this industry, many dogs are kept in crates and cages, where they live alone. So Ken you rescued your lovely Rafa and your other chow chow dogs from breeders and gave them a loving home. Lucky dogs
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 13:38:40 GMT
Yes Ken I care about the welfare of animals and I am concerned about inbreeding of dogs. According to the PDSA (People's Dispensaty for Sick Animals) we get the following. "Dogs come in all shapes and sizes. Sadly, some dogs are more likely to get ill or have problems, simply because of their breed. Pedigree dogs are most likely to have these problems as they are more closely bred than other dogs. Some breeds are so much more likely to suffer from health problems that they’ve been classed as ‘Category Three’ breeds by the Kennel Club. This means they face serious health problems that owners need to be aware of and prepared for. These breeds are:
Basset Hound Bloodhound Bulldog Chow Chow Dogue de Bordeaux German Shepherd Dog Mastiff Neapolitan Mastiff Pekingese Pug St. Bernard Shar Pei" www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/looking-after-your-pet/puppies-dogs/pedigree-dog-healthMy daughter rescued a pedigree dog and at 4 years it has many health problems. It's costing her a fortune in vet bills and medications. Her other dog is a mixed breed of the same age and has been given a clean bill of health. She's a Bichon/Maltese and my daughter is thinking of writing a book featuring her dogs.
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Post by Ken on Feb 10, 2021 14:39:31 GMT
As I’ve said previously one shouldn’t tar everyone (everything) with the same brush.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Feb 10, 2021 23:06:23 GMT
I remember paying $400 to get a cat fixed up after rescuing it as a kitten, roughly 30 years ago. I took care of the broken leg, a vet had to do surgery to fix its intestines.
The thing to remember is reputable breeders typically cross a female animal with a genetically unrelated male in order to avoid issues with inbreeding. You can also run across inbreeding issues with animals that weren't born in a pet-mill. Inbreeding also isn't just an issue with animals.
As with any endeavor caveat emptor applies; expect things to go wrong.
Research who is providing what, what the processes are, and only deal with those who have enough scientific knowledge to be in the business because they want to pass on a healthy plant or animal [yes, vegetation a.k.a. plants can also be inbred despite what some people think].
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 4:21:26 GMT
Science and Statistics prove one can generalise and according to scientists and vets pedigree dogs have more health problems. "Purebred dogs not only have increased incidences of inherited diseases but also heightened health issues due to their bodily frames and shapes, such as hip dysplasia in large breeds like the German shepherd and the Saint Bernard, and patellar luxation, or persistent dislocation of the kneecap, in toy and miniature breeds.dog breeders hold the highest responsibility because they make the decisions about which dogs to mate. In the end, breeders are the ones creating the next generation of dogs." www.scientificamerican.com/article/although-purebred-dogs-can-be-best-in-show-are-they-worst-in-health/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20purebred%20dogs,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 4:51:13 GMT
vegetation a.k.a. plants can also be inbred
Humans, animals, insects, plants can all be inbred with disastrous consequences. The House of Habsburg may be a good example of the effects of inbreeding in humans.
An interesting book about inbreeding is Dark Eden. It's a social science fiction novel by British author Chris Beckett. The novel explores the disintegration of a small group of a highly inbred people, descendants of two individuals whose spaceship crashed on a planet they call Eden. The book won the Arthur C. Clarke Award for best science fiction novel published in the United Kingdom in 2012
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