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Post by BlueAndGold on Mar 15, 2020 20:41:00 GMT
If people would simply relax and trust the supply chain to work like it always does, it will, and everyone will have what they need. But when people go nuts and over-stress it by panic hoarding, it breaks the supply chain and compounds the issues.
Perfect proof that the average person is shockingly stupid. The depressing part is that half the people are stupider than that!
Sorry. Soapbox Mode = OFF
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 15, 2020 21:25:52 GMT
If people would simply relax and trust the supply chain to work like it always does, it will, and everyone will have what they need. But when people go nuts and over-stress it by panic hoarding, it breaks the supply chain and compounds the issues. Perfect proof that the average person is shockingly stupid. The depressing part is that half the people are stupider than that! Sorry. Soapbox Mode = OFF B&G,
Too many people are never taught at an early age that once panic sets in reason is gone. Often their parents were no more competent at clearly thinking through how to handle emergencies. I consider it an abysmal level of ignorance when panic hoarding happens.
Those who at an early enough age received adequate training in how to deal with unexpected emergencies understand the basics of preparation and act accordingly.
When things really get bad in a catastrophe hoarders become targets of the desperate if they haven't already been taken out by the particular occurrence [natural or man-made].
At least if things get really bad I can always snipe one of the deer or wild hogs that regularly cross our property. I may not care for butchering a carcass but it's good to have skills and the field gear to make it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:24:32 GMT
They're closing all the gyms here tomorrow. Schools closed for 2 weeks.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 16, 2020 12:35:29 GMT
They're closing all the gyms here tomorrow. Schools closed for 2 weeks. Maggie,
I managed to delay my eldest brother's evening meal yesterday, a bloody miracle since I rarely manage to catch him at home.
We discussed the virus for a bit before we moved on to other topics. His take based on what information he knows is that most people, as in people who aren't olde pharts like he and I are, need to have a nice warm cup of calm the heck down.
Long story short, the people who are panicking the most are often the ones with a lot less to worry about.
As long as people are practicing normal hygiene, don't have compromised immune systems, and aren't crowding their butts into the most crowded venues they have, the odds are they'll survive even if they catch the virus.
The flip side is, quality of life. People can try living in a sterile bubble totally isolated from the outside world, and yes they'll ride it out, but at such time as the leave that bubble their immune systems will have been compromised by not being exposed to the normal everyday microbiome, leaving them more susceptible to pathogenic microbes. It's a case of live life while taking reasonable precautions deriving the joy where possible, or the panicked alternative which strips away joy and so on.
Yes, considering total global population of people with underlying health issues [meaning compromised immune systems], advanced years, or both the mortality rates could be fairly harsh, but most people don't fall in those categories.
The situation could always change, but until it does people need to relax a little because worrying about what they basically have no control over won't change anything.
I am still ticked over the plague of locust.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 21:56:35 GMT
They're closing all the gyms here tomorrow. Schools closed for 2 weeks. Maggie,
I managed to delay my eldest brother's evening meal yesterday, a bloody miracle since I rarely manage to catch him at home.
We discussed the virus for a bit before we moved on to other topics. His take based on what information he knows is that most people, as in people who aren't olde pharts like he and I are, need to have a nice warm cup of calm the heck down.
Long story short, the people who are panicking the most are often the ones with a lot less to worry about.
As long as people are practicing normal hygiene, don't have compromised immune systems, and aren't crowding their butts into the most crowded venues they have, the odds are they'll survive even if they catch the virus.
The flip side is, quality of life. People can try living in a sterile bubble totally isolated from the outside world, and yes they'll ride it out, but at such time as the leave that bubble their immune systems will have been compromised by not being exposed to the normal everyday microbiome, leaving them more susceptible to pathogenic microbes. It's a case of live life while taking reasonable precautions deriving the joy where possible, or the panicked alternative which strips away joy and so on.
Yes, considering total global population of people with underlying health issues [meaning compromised immune systems], advanced years, or both the mortality rates could be fairly harsh, but most people don't fall in those categories.
The situation could always change, but until it does people need to relax a little because worrying about what they basically have no control over won't change anything.
I am still ticked over the plague of locust.
Well, I'm still going out and socializing, just not touching people and hanging around the elderly and weak.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 16, 2020 23:04:03 GMT
Maggie,
I managed to delay my eldest brother's evening meal yesterday, a bloody miracle since I rarely manage to catch him at home.
We discussed the virus for a bit before we moved on to other topics. His take based on what information he knows is that most people, as in people who aren't olde pharts like he and I are, need to have a nice warm cup of calm the heck down.
Long story short, the people who are panicking the most are often the ones with a lot less to worry about.
As long as people are practicing normal hygiene, don't have compromised immune systems, and aren't crowding their butts into the most crowded venues they have, the odds are they'll survive even if they catch the virus.
The flip side is, quality of life. People can try living in a sterile bubble totally isolated from the outside world, and yes they'll ride it out, but at such time as the leave that bubble their immune systems will have been compromised by not being exposed to the normal everyday microbiome, leaving them more susceptible to pathogenic microbes. It's a case of live life while taking reasonable precautions deriving the joy where possible, or the panicked alternative which strips away joy and so on.
Yes, considering total global population of people with underlying health issues [meaning compromised immune systems], advanced years, or both the mortality rates could be fairly harsh, but most people don't fall in those categories.
The situation could always change, but until it does people need to relax a little because worrying about what they basically have no control over won't change anything.
I am still ticked over the plague of locust.
Well, I'm still going out and socializing, just not touching people and hanging around the elderly and weak. That was kind of the point, since as young as you are you're not in a high risk category, and with reasonable precautions odds are you'll be fine. If the situation should get worse, heed the advice of the professionals.
Despite issues I've been dealing with along with my risk category, I'll be doing the same. We don't live in fear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 18:45:54 GMT
Well, I'm still going out and socializing, just not touching people and hanging around the elderly and weak. That was kind of the point, since as young as you are you're not in a high risk category, and with reasonable precautions odds are you'll be fine. If the situation should get worse, heed the advice of the professionals.
Despite issues I've been dealing with along with my risk category, I'll be doing the same. We don't live in fear.
Everyone except for the politicians here seems relaxed and unafraid about it here. Anyway, let's hope for the best.
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Post by benziger on Mar 17, 2020 21:26:57 GMT
It's more than a bit irritating when people who live in the nearby city of roughly 1.53 million [the metro area is larger than the 1.53M of the city proper] trying to escape the virus stop in small towns like the ones the spouse and I live between.
First, it's statistically probable some of those would-be escapees are leaving COVID-19 behind as a 'parting gift'.
Second, stripping the shelves bare of items [like a swarm of locust descending upon a field of grain] just so they can stuff travel trailers and vehicles full in order to have enough for 'the duration' is both foolish and wasteful. The virus is after all far from running its course here.
Adding in the fact people in small towns need to eat as well, it would be nice to be able to not improvise when cooking. It's to late to escape. The first case in Germany and in Taiwan were the same day. Taiwan, with the experience of SARS about 20 years ago took very strict measures. Nationwide. Europe did not care much about what was happening far away in Asia. Because infected people get other infections 5 days to 3 weeks before the disease breaks out, the pandemic broke "suddenly" over Europe. Now it is only a question of what measures we can take to stagger everything so that there is hope that the hospitals can then treat us one by one. We are trying to avoid Italian situations where sick people have no place in overcrowded hospitals. Where not everyone can be treated in the hospitals. Where doctors have 12-hour shifts without breaks. Compared to Taiwan, we are weeks behind schedule. For countries that slept even longer, there are worse things to fear.
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Post by benziger on Mar 17, 2020 21:34:31 GMT
It is enough if one person has the virus meets others. For example a bartender in Austria who infected half of Norway via Norwegian tourists. It only helps prevention: - Wash your hands with soap, at least 30s
- when you come into the house,
- before eating and cooking,
- after the toilet.
- Cough and sneeze into the crook of your arm.
- Disinfect door handles, etc. regularly (the virus can survive for several days on certain surfaces. Disinfectant destroys it).
- Do not touch the face.
- Don't shake hands.
- Keep distance to each other. (1-2m)
foph-coronavirus.ch/
Isolating a country would have helped on January, 1st.* In March the virus is already in the country. *China's pandemic notification to the WHO was on 31.12.2019.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 17, 2020 23:50:17 GMT
"Now, what are bog rolls? I fear missing out on the word. Perhaps I should know it."
Bog, as in a damp place. A toilet. Possibly named after latrines, a dug pit to pee in. And it is Loo, not Lou. I have no idea where the latter term comes from, but it also means toilet. Or to the terminal polite, the washroom, that some do not even have a sink in, so what and what in is being washed? go figure.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 17, 2020 23:53:41 GMT
If people would simply relax and trust the supply chain to work like it always does, it will, and everyone will have what they need. But when people go nuts and over-stress it by panic hoarding, it breaks the supply chain and compounds the issues.
Suppliers are saying there's currently no shortage of anything, but because idiots are emptying shelves faster than expected, it's cocking up the delivery logistics.
Perfect proof that the average person is shockingly stupid. The depressing part is that half the people are stupider than that!
Indeed. But they think they are being clever.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 17, 2020 23:56:01 GMT
Well, I'm still going out and socializing, just not touching people and hanging around the elderly and weak.
Apparently they are not entirely sure how it spreads yet. I assume you have to breath while out and about? And have they worked out the incubation term yet?
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 18, 2020 0:02:01 GMT
BBC UK did a very strange thing the other night. They irresponsibly, in my view, broadcast a documentary about Spanish flu that killed 50 mill people around WW1. Calling that flu perhaps confuses people, but it just goes to show that even a variety of that can be far from 'tame' and can be deadly.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 18, 2020 0:08:35 GMT
Once a year I have a checkup because I have a chest disease. This year it was last week. They did not text me to cancel it. It was not told it was cancelled when I arrived at the clinic, it went ahead, even though on the entry door to the clinic was a poster that said, "if you have any breathing problem, or have developed one, DO NOT ENTER. Go home and dial 111." This week they have been texting every one with advice on who should self-isolate. A bit late me thinks.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 18, 2020 11:53:52 GMT
It's more than a bit irritating when people who live in the nearby city of roughly 1.53 million [the metro area is larger than the 1.53M of the city proper] trying to escape the virus stop in small towns like the ones the spouse and I live between.
First, it's statistically probable some of those would-be escapees are leaving COVID-19 behind as a 'parting gift'.
Second, stripping the shelves bare of items [like a swarm of locust descending upon a field of grain] just so they can stuff travel trailers and vehicles full in order to have enough for 'the duration' is both foolish and wasteful. The virus is after all far from running its course here.
Adding in the fact people in small towns need to eat as well, it would be nice to be able to not improvise when cooking. It's to late to escape. The first case in Germany and in Taiwan were the same day. Taiwan, with the experience of SARS about 20 years ago took very strict measures. Nationwide. Europe did not care much about what was happening far away in Asia. Because infected people get other infections 5 days to 3 weeks before the disease breaks out, the pandemic broke "suddenly" over Europe. Now it is only a question of what measures we can take to stagger everything so that there is hope that the hospitals can then treat us one by one. We are trying to avoid Italian situations where sick people have no place in overcrowded hospitals. Where not everyone can be treated in the hospitals. Where doctors have 12-hour shifts without breaks. Compared to Taiwan, we are weeks behind schedule. For countries that slept even longer, there are worse things to fear. Herr Benziger,
Since it is impossible to escape nature other than in a 'sterile bubble' [such a retreat is next to impossible to accomplish on a species level], and realistically it was just a matter of time till a new virulent microbe evolved, people should be grateful to have been spared as long as they were.
As Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said: "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself..."
Perhaps it is time for more of this planet's current residents to relearn some lessons from the past. We are all born to a world of uncertainty, a world that does not offer any guarantees on how long, how well, or how successful our lives will be. As such it behooves each and every one of us to make the most of each moment we have while we have them. It is up to all of us to be good stewards of all we can't take with us when we inevitably shuffle off into memory, in order to gift those who follow with as much opportunity to do better than we did as possible. At the end, the only solace any of us can truly have is being able to know we have lived our lives to the best of our abilities, and we did our best to leave the world [we hold in common trust] a better place.
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