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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 18, 2020 12:00:05 GMT
That was kind of the point, since as young as you are you're not in a high risk category, and with reasonable precautions odds are you'll be fine. If the situation should get worse, heed the advice of the professionals.
Despite issues I've been dealing with along with my risk category, I'll be doing the same. We don't live in fear.
Everyone except for the politicians here seems relaxed and unafraid about it here. Anyway, let's hope for the best. Politicians fear accountability and loss of the next election as a general rule.
I'd say be aware of the virus, pay attention to include appropriate health measures if the virus mutates and gets worse, but otherwise live because nobody gets an extension on life to make up for time lost to worrying about what is beyond our personal control.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 16:17:58 GMT
I'd say be aware of the virus, pay attention to include appropriate health measures if the virus mutates and gets worse, but otherwise live because nobody gets an extension on life to make up for time lost to worrying about what is beyond our personal control.
We only have 4 cases here in my county and none in my area, but we are still very aware of the virus. However my daughter lives in Spain and she said it's like a police state there. Only people walking their dogs, going on essential shopping expeditions and emergency cases are allowed on the streets. The police can stop people and cars and administer fines if the rules are disobeyed. The country is in lockdown including the school where my daughter teaches. Of course Spain is second only to Italy for many Coronavirus cases so they want to stop further spreading of the illness.
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Post by benziger on Mar 19, 2020 10:45:49 GMT
Larika, I don't want to scare you. But whoever has the virus will infect others before the outbreak. Usually it's after about 5 days, but it can take longer. That's why we have a 14 day quarantine. In Italy, there have also been cases where someone infected others for three weeks before they themselves became ill.
Therefore the prevention measures are: Wash your hands with soap for 20 seconds when you come home, before eating. Cough/nibble in the elbows. Outside 2m distance to others (also in shops). People over 60s if possible stay at home (house or garden). Do not look after grandchildren anymore.
I say to myself: better a few weeks of tedious home office work (since Monday I have been practicing curative education via skype) and rest in the garden, than possibly lying in intensive care in 3 or 4 weeks. Just prevention. And in my free time I order one or two things from local providers by mail, so that the economy doesn't collapse completely (in Switzerland everything (shops, churchs, borders) except pharmacies and grocery stores is closed until April 19).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 11:07:03 GMT
I take your point Benziger. I however have been ill and have not been out for weeks. My husband does go to our local supermarket but he follows all the precautions you advised. My daughter and her partner in Spain are cautious too, as is my son in America. It is, however a time of great anxiety for all.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 19, 2020 13:43:50 GMT
I get the point as well, though the context or circumstances of daily life can alter the options any of us have to choose from.
Having essentially worked at home for a bit over six years, I long ago got accustomed to rarely go out, as I feel no great urge to socialize or be part of a crowd .
Being on the cusp of early retirement age with small children, the situation as it may affect me is what it is.
When I say people need to be aware and take precautions reasonable to their particular situations and continue living their lives, it's because I'm looking just a bit further down the road, because life does go on whether we like the changes or not. COVID-19 isn't going to disappear, instead it will become part of our new normal. COVID-19 also won't be the last pathogen to emerge, as microorganisms are constantly evolving and it's just a matter of time before something relatively harmless changes.
Humanity has perhaps gotten a bit spoiled due to the many medical advances since the Pandemic of 1918, and the current panic so many people are exhibiting is a result of complacency being shattered by the realization none of us are immune or impervious to forces of nature.
I am aware my odds of surviving the new infection on the block aren't what they might have been forty years ago, but I'm also aware a wild hog could cross the road at just the wrong moment and flip the vehicle I'm driving. It''s just as possible a heart attack or stroke could flatten me today, tomorrow, or twenty years from now. Worrying about what might kill me won't help me live a day longer, so I take the precautions I'm able while realizing the risks involved.
Every year more people in this country die from slipping in the shower and breaking their necks than die from being struck by lightening. People continue taking showers, while ignoring the risks, while fearing lightening due to the flash and following noise.
All the same, being able to buy some toilet paper for us [the girls included with the spouse and me] or butt-wipes for the two-year-old would be nice. Too bad panic stricken hoarders have put an end to the supplies of basic items on a daily basis. Ah, the joys of being cursed to live through interesting times.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 19, 2020 14:29:55 GMT
Viruses are constantly trying to kill us off, and the human population still expands. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic#Asian_Flu_.281957.E2.80.931958.29But frankly, I don't want to be one of the victims and I assume no one else does. Self-isolation is great to a degree (but in many instances a bit too late?) but in the UK some on-line grocery stores have already shut their sites so they can catch up with the increasing new demand orders. Right at this moment, being over 60 with a chest disease, I currently have no alternative but to go out to the local supermarket. Fortunately I expect them to not be very busy.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 19, 2020 15:22:26 GMT
Viruses are constantly trying to kill us off, and the human population still expands. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic#Asian_Flu_.281957.E2.80.931958.29But frankly, I don't want to be one of the victims and I assume no one else does. Self-isolation is great to a degree (but in many instances a bit too late?) but in the UK some on-line grocery stores have already shut their sites so they can catch up with the increasing new demand orders. Right at this moment, being over 60 with a chest disease, I currently have no alternative but to go out to the local supermarket. Fortunately I expect them to not be very busy. Mr Lomas,
I understand your situation a bit too well. Childhood exposure to airborne asbestos particulate matter, years of exposure to fine particulate airborne silica dust, and other factors have compromised my pulmonary system over the decades, though having oversized lungs is a bit of an advantage [no portable oxygen concentrator, yet, and inhalers haven't become a necessity not that I have any that didn't expire several years ago].
You're fortunate to not have your local grocer's supplies denuded on a daily basis. Though if memory serves the population where you live is higher than that of SA.
The county I live in has a population of approximately 50K, spread out over 3,430 km[squared] so the locals aren't stripping the shelves bare of everything from 'bog rolls' to dried beans, it's more people traveling out from SA to buy up stuff they don't need in order to hoard or profiteer. Little do those people realize, the more they strip the shelves bare the more they set themselves up to be robbed or worse by those who can't afford to pay grossly inflated prices for basics.
Like you I don't want to be a victim, the kids need me to stick around till they're ready, though we all do as we must in order to live our lives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:09:57 GMT
Talk about greedy buying and karma. I saw a video on facebook where a woman bought 18 rolls of toilet paper. However her little children sneaked upstairs and filled the bathtub and we saw the 18 ruined rolls in the tub.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:54:17 GMT
Everyone except for the politicians here seems relaxed and unafraid about it here. Anyway, let's hope for the best. Politicians fear accountability and loss of the next election as a general rule.
I'd say be aware of the virus, pay attention to include appropriate health measures if the virus mutates and gets worse, but otherwise live because nobody gets an extension on life to make up for time lost to worrying about what is beyond our personal control.
Trudeau has already approved 25 billion to help Canadians, even those not affected directly.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 19, 2020 18:41:23 GMT
Talk about greedy buying and karma. I saw a video on facebook where a woman bought 18 rolls of toilet paper. However her little children sneaked upstairs and filled the bathtub and we saw the 18 ruined rolls in the tub. The spouse was telling me about an article she read, wherein a woman [with young children in the] bought a three-month supply of toilet paper [essentially enough for her home and five other households for two weeks].
Not having a large storeroom she put it where she could. While she was out of the house later, her kids found all the rolls of toilet paper, and in typical kid fashion and the logic that implies, they decided their mother had bought all those rolls so they could have a party.
The woman, upon returning home, discovered her children had not only 'made it snow' all through the interior of the house, but every last roll had been ruined, unusable unless someone picked through the mass to find big enough scraps to use.
Between the spouse and I, and two daughters, we can stretch a twelve-pack of double rolls maybe two weeks. The six-year-old tends to overestimate how much she needs, so she uses a bit more than she should as it's a learning process.
Having an extra pack of paper set aside just in case I get, being able to fully pad the interior of a military tank with hoarded toilet paper is a different matter.
Still, it is a bit amusing to know that some of the hoarders don't benefit from making others do without.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Mar 19, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
Politicians fear accountability and loss of the next election as a general rule.
I'd say be aware of the virus, pay attention to include appropriate health measures if the virus mutates and gets worse, but otherwise live because nobody gets an extension on life to make up for time lost to worrying about what is beyond our personal control.
Trudeau has already approved 25 billion to help Canadians, even those not affected directly.
I'm waiting for the normal assistance I've seen in the past to happen, somewhere between absolutely nothing and not enough to make a difference for a day.
Good news is the grocery store isn't the only source for fresh meat. Wild hogs do traverse our yard fairly often in the middle of the night, meaning it wouldn't be difficult to down a small one.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 20, 2020 14:48:14 GMT
Mr Lomas,
I understand your situation a bit too well. Childhood exposure to airborne asbestos particulate matter, years of exposure to fine particulate airborne silica dust, and other factors have compromised my pulmonary system over the decades, though having oversized lungs is a bit of an advantage [no portable oxygen concentrator, yet, and inhalers haven't become a necessity not that I have any that didn't expire several years ago].
Indeed.
You're fortunate to not have your local grocer's supplies denuded on a daily basis.
It was until many outlets introduced rationing. Thankfully our local minimart belongs to one of the UK's largest supermarket companies. I don't normally buy much from there anyway, too expensive! Same goes for the actual nearest village.
Though if memory serves the population where you live is higher than that of SA.
Almost 68 mill, though I am not sure what that has to do with it.
The county I live in has a population of approximately 50K, spread out over 3,430 km[squared]
The UK is quite densely populated, around 274 people per k, but in reality most living in towns and cities.
so the locals aren't stripping the shelves bare of everything from 'bog rolls' to dried beans,
Most people in the UK are rarely far from a range of small to vast supermarkets, and they can also get on line deliveries. It's very easy from them to get what they want without travelling far or at all.
it's more people traveling out from SA to buy up stuff they don't need in order to hoard or profiteer.
It is said that it's inbuilt to human nature to get food when it's available, even when they don't need it. It seems to be genetically built in from being hunter gatherers. It's said to be also one of the reasons many people eat far more food than they need.
Little do those people realize, the more they strip the shelves bare the more they set themselves up to be robbed or worse by those who can't afford to pay grossly inflated prices for basics.
Well that's not a problem here. The last thing on a robbers mind here is how many bog rolls they can burgle, they still want your TV and laptop. But I have heard that the local garage shop is asking £20 for a pack of 6 bog rolls. It sounds unlikely.
Like you I don't want to be a victim, the kids need me to stick around till they're ready, though we all do as we must in order to live our lives.
Well my two lads are in their lower 30s, but one still does live here.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 20, 2020 14:55:02 GMT
Trudeau has already approved 25 billion to help Canadians, even those not affected directly
In the apparently cash strapped UK, according to the ruling Conservatives over the last decades, our actually still but new Conservative PM had already started to chuck around billions via his last Budget announcement as if there's no tomorrow. And now he has just declared a massive pot of cash to help those who may loose their jobs and businesses due to people not going out and self-isolation and to get in extra doctors and nurses (no idea where from though!) Seems he's not just found a money tree but a whole forest.
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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Mar 20, 2020 15:01:14 GMT
Good news is the grocery store isn't the only source for fresh meat. Wild hogs do traverse our yard fairly often in the middle of the night, meaning it wouldn't be difficult to down a small one.
Well, we have hedgehogs, badgers and foxes, but they are protected, as are also most birds here, but I doubt they make good eating (although my trees are full of fat woodpigeons, but I think they are protected also, and I doubt I could get a gun licence anyway and I am rubbish with a crossbow) and also I doubt the local stately home would approve of us poaching their deer. Perhaps we could eat the 10s of 1000s of homeless we have here? Apparently there are fish in the canal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 15:36:49 GMT
I get the point as well, though the context or circumstances of daily life can alter the options any of us have to choose from. Having essentially worked at home for a bit over six years, I long ago got accustomed to rarely go out, as I feel no great urge to socialize or be part of a crowd .
Being on the cusp of early retirement age with small children, the situation as it may affect me is what it is. When I say people need to be aware and take precautions reasonable to their particular situations and continue living their lives, it's because I'm looking just a bit further down the road, because life does go on whether we like the changes or not. COVID-19 isn't going to disappear, instead it will become part of our new normal. COVID-19 also won't be the last pathogen to emerge, as microorganisms are constantly evolving and it's just a matter of time before something relatively harmless changes. Humanity has perhaps gotten a bit spoiled due to the many medical advances since the Pandemic of 1918, and the current panic so many people are exhibiting is a result of complacency being shattered by the realization none of us are immune or impervious to forces of nature. I am aware my odds of surviving the new infection on the block aren't what they might have been forty years ago, but I'm also aware a wild hog could cross the road at just the wrong moment and flip the vehicle I'm driving. It''s just as possible a heart attack or stroke could flatten me today, tomorrow, or twenty years from now. Worrying about what might kill me won't help me live a day longer, so I take the precautions I'm able while realizing the risks involved. Every year more people in this country die from slipping in the shower and breaking their necks than die from being struck by lightening. People continue taking showers, while ignoring the risks, while fearing lightening due to the flash and following noise. All the same, being able to buy some toilet paper for us [the girls included with the spouse and me] or butt-wipes for the two-year-old would be nice. Too bad panic stricken hoarders have put an end to the supplies of basic items on a daily basis. Ah, the joys of being cursed to live through interesting times. Cameron, here some rows were empty for a day due to hoarders, but items were quickly replenished. I would think the same is being done in the US?
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