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Post by And Kevin 2024 on Sept 17, 2020 0:05:30 GMT
You all seem to be missing the point. I did not mean to the same company, but to many companies at the same time. Quoting you from just a few hours ago: "That ["simultaneous submissions"] still refers to simultaneous submissions to the same company, which is sure to get their backs up." Or from a few days ago: Me: "There is no consistent rule, but many publishers, in their submission guidelines, will state that they will not consider simultaneous submissions. Again, the safest thing to do is to carefully read a publisher's submission guidelines and follow them to the letter." You: "That often means to themselves. They are busy enough without bombarding them with persistent approaches, akin to spam." I am again starting to think we don't speak the same language. We may use the same words, but they don't mean the same thing to everyone.
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 17, 2020 12:08:38 GMT
That still refers to simultaneous submissions to the same company, which is sure to get their backs up.
RM You are sticking to this idea for some reason.
That is because that is what is constantly being assumed.
RM Yes, that is being assumed and this is why:
Quoting you from yesterday: "That ["simultaneous submissions"] still refers to simultaneous submissions to the same company, which is sure to get their backs up."
Or from a few days ago:
Me: "There is no consistent rule, but many publishers, in their submission guidelines, will state that they will not consider simultaneous submissions. Again, the safest thing to do is to carefully read a publisher's submission guidelines and follow them to the letter." You: "That often means to themselves. They are busy enough without bombarding them with persistent approaches, akin to spam."
Or, in short, everyone but you has stuck exactly to what is meant by "simultaneous submissions." Only you have insisted on it having another or alternate meaning. "Simultaneous submissions" means submissions of the same MS to different publishers at the same time. "Multiple submissions" means making several submissions at the same time to the same publisher. I don't think you will find anywhere where either I or anyone else has said anything different.
To sum up: many publishers will not consider simultaneous submissions. There are many reasons for this. For example, an editor may not want to get excited about a book, approach an author with an offer and find that the author has gone with another company. Or they may not want to get dragged into a bidding war. Multiple submissions means submitting more than one book project to the same publisher. Many publishers simply prefer dealing with one book per author at a time. Like the issue of simultaneous submissions, it's a preference that differs from publisher to publisher and even can depend on circumstances. For instance, if your book is one of a series or if there are either intended or possible follow-up books it is actually a good idea to at least mention that when first contacting the publisher.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 17, 2020 16:46:28 GMT
Ron,
I checked the definitions for the words simultaneous and multiple in both US and UK English -- the words mean the same thing in England as they mean in the States.
Having checked a few publishers in the UK, the meaning of simultaneous submissions versus multiple submissions is also equivalent.
Publishers in the UK also state whether they accept or don't accept either or both types of submissions.
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Post by ronmiller on Sept 17, 2020 17:13:30 GMT
Ron, I checked the definitions for the words simultaneous and multiple in both US and UK English -- the words mean the same thing in England as they mean in the States. Having checked a few publishers in the UK, the meaning of simultaneous submissions versus multiple submissions is also equivalent. Publishers in the UK also state whether they accept or don't accept either or both types of submissions. Even the definitions of the words themselves make the distinction clear. Simultaneous means "occurring, operating, or done at the same time." Multiple means "having or involving several parts, elements, or members." And it is worth remembering that the issue of simultaneous or multiple submissions varies from publisher to publisher, with many not mentioning either in their submissions standards. But even if a publisher doesn't specifically say they have a rule against simultaneous submissions, if you do plan to submit your book to several publishers at the same time it is a simple courtesy to mention this in your cover letter. Likewise, it is a good idea to ask first before submitting more than one book proposal to a publisher.
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Post by Retread-Retired-Cameron on Sept 18, 2020 20:20:09 GMT
It usually pays to be on the same page as those you're doing business with.
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